Return-Path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.194] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4747247 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:17:30 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.103] (rrcs-24-43-70-42.west.biz.rr.com [24.43.70.42]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M9sJc-1SluLr3hZQ-00BoJg; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:20:13 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.2.120421 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:20:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead From: Tony Romain To: AE list Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3422524813_1272872" X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:fzpi8lAuZ30zqLON1VQlzkKdabN5zqUvI1D2KYyHtHI Oy+VumI/0ZU4FaIkSzGHrNOUAHuSJgI9UWTA1YjsUiwfXjM0R0 cxU/OWxTZEkCMAyUF/BftNPNjJx45/7W3Qv7Ej27liZTP/I2nA S51b/Iy0PcS8lYPHiR4Y9wIV+UCIpFQKrqY8ZsEcMngVd99qmY VgWw8ftK0337vt/FNbvb07a84VIoFyKwBClxZlWbCzWGfLS0rG 4YmR65YdmVaDaAXsdGfawuBrw+WBZ2wFq9toHY0pisHD72GcH7 ZnoWqKHMzldGyNlUmycsIWIHV/uXdVOqXRsDlNL8c4HSIxPbnB aGkg6vgRHLXEO6WT0M5VEHqrsYlPUIio6wiIFiNuJ12pc4aNz0 D9aUC+tNYFwow== > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3422524813_1272872 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable That's kind of what I've been thinking too=8A just ditch everything in the computer except for a souped up graphics card and processor. Everything else is external and thunderbolt connected --=20 tony romain | principal/creative director trance motion graphic animation and design 323 651 1114 www.trancedesigns.com From: Tim Sassoon Reply-To: AE list Date: Thursday, June 14, 2012 12:58 PM To: AE list Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead Okay, decade, schmeckade. And I know in all seriousness that you don't have a million bucks :-) But computing power generally has an inverse proportion to size. In order t= o become more powerful, they must shrink. Then there's Quantum Computing, where suddenly the current chip paradigm looks like tubes and punch cards compared. Most of the space in a current tower are disk and peripheral bays, PCI slots, and power supply. Disks will be SSD, and peripherals can be outboard= , Thunderbolt can supplant internal PCI, and then you only need a fraction of the power supply. What do you have then? A Mac Mini with better CPU's, pretty much. And I suspect that in the long run, that's Apple's point. That instead of buying one Monster Truck of a computer, you'd be better served b= y buying a fleet of FIT's. Tim Sassoon SFD Santa Monica, CA On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: >> > The "pro" computer ten years from now will be the same size as today's >> iPhone. >=20 > I will bet a million dollars, in all seriousness, in front of all the > witnesses here, that this is not the case. Physics says no as does Moore=B9= s law > and what we will be doing with said computers in ten years. >=20 > I will agree the iPhone of ten years from now will outperform todays towe= r. > But I am sure enough to bet a million dollars that pro=B9s will need far mo= re > power than that. The iPhone today much slower than the pro CPU in 2002. A= nd > the pro CPUs 10 years ago can=B9t run any recent version of CS6 (which requ= ires > Core 2 Duo minimum). > =20 > Unless you are hoping some massive revolution in chip/CPU/drive/RAM/stora= ge, I > think my best is pretty safe. > =20 > Plus, my towers have been getting bigger over the last 10 years, not smal= ler=8A > =20 > stephen van vuuren > 336.202.4777 > =20 > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > http://www.sv2studios.com/ > http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ > =20 > A film is =AD or should be =AD more like music than like fiction. It should b= e a > progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=B9s behind the emotion, = the > meaning, all that comes later. > =ADStanley Kubrick --B_3422524813_1272872 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
That's kind of wha= t I've been thinking too… just ditch everything in the computer except= for a souped up graphics card and processor.  Everything else is exter= nal and thunderbolt connected


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= tony romain | principal= /creative director

trance
motion graphic animation and design
323 651 1114
www.trancedesigns.com

From: Tim Sassoon <tsassoon@aol.com>
Reply-To: AE list <AE-List@media-mot= ion.tv>
Date: Thursday, Jun= e 14, 2012 12:58 PM
To: AE list &l= t;AE-List@media-motion.tv>Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro = is dead

Okay, decade, schmeckade. And I know in all seriousness that yo= u don't have a million bucks :-)

But computing power gene= rally has an inverse proportion to size. In order to become more powerful, t= hey must shrink. Then there's Quantum Computing, where suddenly the current = chip paradigm looks like tubes and punch cards compared.

Most of the space in a current tower are disk and peripheral bays, PCI= slots, and power supply. Disks will be SSD, and peripherals can be outboard= , Thunderbolt can supplant internal PCI, and then you only need a fraction o= f the power supply. What do you have then? A Mac Mini with better CPU's, pre= tty much. And I suspect that in the long run, that's Apple's point. That ins= tead of buying one Monster Truck of a computer, you'd be better served by bu= ying a fleet of FIT's.


Tim Sassoon
SFD
Santa Monica, CA



On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote:
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> The "pro" computer ten years from now will be the same = size as today's iPhone.
I will bet a million dollars, in all seriousness, in front  of all th= e witnesses here, that this is not the case. Physics says no as does Moore&#= 8217;s law and what we will be doing with said computers in ten years.<= /o:p>

I will agree the iPhone of ten years from = now will outperform todays tower. But I am sure enough to bet a million doll= ars that pro’s will need far more power than that. The iPhone today mu= ch slower than the pro CPU in 2002. And the pro CPUs 10 years ago can’= t run any recent version of CS6 (which requires Core 2 Duo minimum).
 
Unless= you are hoping some massive revolution in chip/CPU/drive/RAM/storage, I thi= nk my best is pretty safe.
 
Plus, my towers have been getting bigger over th= e last 10 years, not smaller…
=  
stephen van vuuren
336.202.4777
 =
A film is – or should be – more = like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelin= gs. The theme, what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.
–Stanley Kubrick<= /span>

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