Return-Path: Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4748681 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 17:15:11 +0200 Received: by dakp5 with SMTP id p5so5015376dak.28 for ; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:17:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=OpxtHeH0LEN0jWHjeSnkbRoQatITxksildCjBKKyxAU=; b=zjxsIa9y8RhXOs3tlCsPwsX7YwCVUVe0Js+Ga2qli7Ugfc68Z1N3xny+J8NJmwIshQ ekEOBhdovoBy7SQ9xliygwLmA2HfDOvWxifY+wirHnzBjr1bddEOq8EnM6pIDfS+W3i7 pR0M1kYs/5n4+lIwhfv+s4I+dUm6G55735fx3DTaGe3LIfF6roce7DpE/Fw1HLvz6ATk 31QebvNkmpL+6coo86Wtf12zoStvIopS5e04SNM8sFFVywzNSW7fKK/aLyD6pM4pqQHL Mxla3PigDAg5rv1m89XCPVS2BASJJlqrQRr7AEA9hAdz9YeEHmvnbNrB9v4AYNalQ8ke duGg== Received: by 10.68.203.40 with SMTP id kn8mr31730839pbc.162.1339859877558; Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.1.21] ([50.0.205.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rs4sm17142317pbc.0.2012.06.16.08.17.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:17:56 -0700 (PDT) From: patrick siemer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5-775420591 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:17:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <5AA2310E-1457-4843-B6D9-18AD2571C66F@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-5-775420591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii One other thing, while the Editorial department may use Final Cut for = smaller projects, the Feature Flms are all edited on AVID editing systems, and always have = been on macs. -patrick =20 =20 On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:05 AM, patrick siemer wrote: > I know something about that subject. > While most everyone at Pixar has a mac at or near their desk, All the = hard core rendering is done on a Unix render farm. The staff is = generally split between Linux and Mac OS. > Editorial, Story and Art departments use Mac OS. Macs are also used = by legal, marketing and administration type departments. Layout, Tools, = Rendering, Lighting and Animation use Linux workstations. Most of the = Technical Directors use linux workstations, (like dell or HP) there = might be an OS x port of the animation software, but I don't think it is = widely used if at all. One thing for sure, you will not find any = Microsoft OS, anywhere. > I personally spit out many minutes of finished frames from After = Effects on a mac pro, but that was just compositing for "Cars" many = motion graphic sequences. We did that because AE was the best tool to = do "Broadcast Design" and Motion Graphics. It was done outside the = regular production "Pipeline" and treated as a special thing. > hope that clears things up. > -patrick siemer >=20 > On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, James WIlson wrote: >=20 >> I've been semi following this thread and I can't help but = wonder...isn't Pixar using Mac Pros to crank out all those frames? Why = would Jobs ignore such money maker as the ongoing development of the = power workflow for cinema? I mean there's just as much money in ticket = sales, royalties, and merchandizing as any other product line so I = wouldn't see why the MacPro development would fall by the wayside for = volume iPhone and iPad sales alone unless they're just not using any of = them. >>=20 >> Perhaps someone here knows more about the inner workings of the = Pixar. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote: >>=20 >>> Anyone else wonder if Steve could have cared less about the high-end = machines any more because they weren't high profile enough so they had = been shelved as far as development resources? Maybe Tim is smart enough = to realize that the "pros" actually are an important part of the market = and put them back in the development pipeline. That is why they are so = far out from being shipped. >>>=20 >>> Scott >>>=20 >>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl Newman wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Well, first you have to have a TB hub so that you can attach your = ethernet, storage adapters and monitor. >>>>=20 >>>> Most TB devices can daisy-chain depending on the chip they used. = Obviously an ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of the chain, or = on the new Retina MBP it could be on a second port. >>>>=20 >>>> One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can daisy-chain = two Apple Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, including the = MBP, running at once. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Karl Newman >>>> Karl Newman Productions >>>>=20 >>>> kwnewman@verizon.net >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-5-775420591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii One = other thing, while the Editorial department may use Final Cut for = smaller projects,
the Feature Flms are all edited on AVID editing = systems, and always have been on macs.
-patrick =  
 
On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:05 AM, = patrick siemer wrote:

I know something about that = subject.
While most everyone at Pixar has a mac at or near their = desk, All the hard core rendering is done on a Unix render farm. The = staff is generally split between Linux and Mac OS.
Editorial, = Story and Art departments use Mac OS.  Macs are also used by legal, = marketing and administration type departments.  Layout, Tools, = Rendering, Lighting and Animation  use Linux workstations. =  Most of the Technical Directors use linux workstations, (like dell = or HP) there might be an OS x port of the animation software, but I = don't think it is widely used if  at all.  One thing for sure, = you will not find any Microsoft OS, anywhere.
I personally = spit out many minutes of finished  frames from After Effects on a = mac pro, but that was just compositing for "Cars" many motion graphic = sequences.  We did that because AE was the best tool to do = "Broadcast Design" and Motion Graphics.  It was done outside the = regular production "Pipeline" and treated as a special = thing.
hope that clears things up.
-patrick = siemer

On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, = James WIlson wrote:

I've been semi following this = thread and I can't help but wonder...isn't Pixar using Mac Pros to crank = out all those frames? Why would Jobs ignore such money maker as the = ongoing development of the power workflow for cinema? I mean there's = just as much money in ticket sales, royalties, and merchandizing as any = other product line so I wouldn't see why the MacPro development would = fall by the wayside for volume iPhone and iPad sales alone unless = they're just not using any of them.

Perhaps someone = here knows more about the inner workings of the = Pixar.



On Jun 14, = 2012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote:

Anyone else wonder if Steve = could have cared less about the high-end machines any more  because = they weren't high profile enough so they had been shelved as far as = development resources?  Maybe Tim is smart enough to realize that = the "pros" actually are an important part of the market and put them = back in the development pipeline.  That is why they are so far out = from being shipped.

Scott

On = Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl Newman wrote:

On Jun 14, 2012, at = 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote:

Well, first = you have to have a TB hub so that you can attach your ethernet, storage = adapters and monitor.

Most TB = devices can daisy-chain depending on the chip they used. Obviously an = ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of the chain, or on the new = Retina MBP it could be on a second port.

One = thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can daisy-chain two = Apple Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, including the MBP, = running at once.


Karl Newman
Karl Newman = Productions



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