Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([173.201.193.102] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4750532 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:36:56 +0200 Received: (qmail 20008 invoked from network); 18 Jun 2012 13:39:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (173.247.4.230) by p3plsmtpa08-01.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.102) with ESMTP; 18 Jun 2012 13:39:45 -0000 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead References: From: Greg Balint Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6D7FA624-BBCD-43EB-A675-A2E7A2ED50AA X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:40:12 -0400 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-6D7FA624-BBCD-43EB-A675-A2E7A2ED50AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can install Linux on cheaper and also more available hardware instead of= Apple approved hardware.=20 ////Greg Balint ///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer delRAZOR.com/ On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:37 AM, James WIlson wrote: > So what is the advantage of Linux if OSX is based on the same architecture= ? Other than being free. I would imagine that the same software could be wri= tten for OSX? >=20 >=20 > On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:17 AM, patrick siemer wrote: >=20 >> One other thing, while the Editorial department may use Final Cut for sma= ller projects, >> the Feature Flms are all edited on AVID editing systems, and always have b= een on macs. >> -patrick =20 >> =20 >> On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:05 AM, patrick siemer wrote: >>=20 >>> I know something about that subject. >>> While most everyone at Pixar has a mac at or near their desk, All the ha= rd core rendering is done on a Unix render farm. The staff is generally spli= t between Linux and Mac OS. >>> Editorial, Story and Art departments use Mac OS. Macs are also used by l= egal, marketing and administration type departments. Layout, Tools, Renderi= ng, Lighting and Animation use Linux workstations. Most of the Technical D= irectors use linux workstations, (like dell or HP) there might be an OS x po= rt of the animation software, but I don't think it is widely used if at all= . One thing for sure, you will not find any Microsoft OS, anywhere. >>> I personally spit out many minutes of finished frames from After Effect= s on a mac pro, but that was just compositing for "Cars" many motion graphic= sequences. We did that because AE was the best tool to do "Broadcast Desig= n" and Motion Graphics. It was done outside the regular production "Pipelin= e" and treated as a special thing. >>> hope that clears things up. >>> -patrick siemer >>>=20 >>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, James WIlson wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I've been semi following this thread and I can't help but wonder...isn'= t Pixar using Mac Pros to crank out all those frames? Why would Jobs ignore s= uch money maker as the ongoing development of the power workflow for cinema?= I mean there's just as much money in ticket sales, royalties, and merchandi= zing as any other product line so I wouldn't see why the MacPro development w= ould fall by the wayside for volume iPhone and iPad sales alone unless they'= re just not using any of them. >>>>=20 >>>> Perhaps someone here knows more about the inner workings of the Pixar. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Anyone else wonder if Steve could have cared less about the high-end m= achines any more because they weren't high profile enough so they had been s= helved as far as development resources? Maybe Tim is smart enough to realiz= e that the "pros" actually are an important part of the market and put them b= ack in the development pipeline. That is why they are so far out from being= shipped. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Scott >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl Newman wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Well, first you have to have a TB hub so that you can attach your et= hernet, storage adapters and monitor. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Most TB devices can daisy-chain depending on the chip they used. Obvi= ously an ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of the chain, or on the n= ew Retina MBP it could be on a second port. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can daisy-chain t= wo Apple Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, including the MBP, ru= nning at once. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Karl Newman >>>>>> Karl Newman Productions >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> kwnewman@verizon.net >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6D7FA624-BBCD-43EB-A675-A2E7A2ED50AA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
You can install Linux on c= heaper and also more available hardware instead of Apple approved hardware.&= nbsp;

////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer<= /div>

On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:37 AM, James WIlson <lists@jwmm.com> wrote:

So what is the advantage of Linux if OSX is based on the s= ame architecture? Other than being free. I would imagine that the same softw= are could be written for OSX?


On Jun 16, 2012, at= 11:17 AM, patrick siemer wrote:

One other thing, whi= le the Editorial department may use Final Cut for smaller projects,
the = Feature Flms are all edited on AVID editing systems, and always have been on= macs.
-patrick  
 
On Jun 16, 20= 12, at 8:05 AM, patrick siemer wrote:

I know somethin= g about that subject.
While most everyone at Pixar has a mac at or near t= heir desk, All the hard core rendering is done on a Unix render farm. The st= aff is generally split between Linux and Mac OS.
Editorial, Story a= nd Art departments use Mac OS.  Macs are also used by legal, marketing a= nd administration type departments.  Layout, Tools, Rendering, Lighting= and Animation  use Linux workstations.  Most of the Technical Dir= ectors use linux workstations, (like dell or HP) there might be an OS x port= of the animation software, but I don't think it is widely used if  at a= ll.  One thing for sure, you will not find any Microsoft OS, anywhere.<= /div>
I personally spit out many minutes of finished  frames from A= fter Effects on a mac pro, but that was just compositing for "Cars" many mot= ion graphic sequences.  We did that because AE was the best tool to do "= Broadcast Design" and Motion Graphics.  It was done outside the regular= production "Pipeline" and treated as a special thing.
hope that c= lears things up.
-patrick siemer

On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, James WIlson wrote:

I'= ve been semi following this thread and I can't help but wonder...isn't Pixar= using Mac Pros to crank out all those frames? Why would Jobs ignore such mo= ney maker as the ongoing development of the power workflow for cinema? I mea= n there's just as much money in ticket sales, royalties, and merchandizing a= s any other product line so I wouldn't see why the MacPro development would f= all by the wayside for volume iPhone and iPad sales alone unless they're jus= t not using any of them.

Perhaps someone here knows more a= bout the inner workings of the Pixar.



On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote:
Anyone else wonder if Steve could have cared less about the h= igh-end machines any more  because they weren't high profile enough so t= hey had been shelved as far as development resources?  Maybe Tim is sma= rt enough to realize that the "pros" actually are an important part of the m= arket and put them back in the development pipeline.  That is why they a= re so far out from being shipped.

Scott

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On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl Newman wrote:

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On Jun 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote:

Well, first you= have to have a TB hub so that you can attach your ethernet, storage adapter= s and monitor.

Most TB devices can daisy-chain depending on the chip they used= . Obviously an ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of the chain, or on= the new Retina MBP it could be on a second port.

O= ne thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can daisy-chain two Apple= Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, including the MBP, running at= once.


Karl Newman
Karl Newman Productions








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