Return-Path: Received: from nova.lunarpages.com ([67.210.126.175] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4750541 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:43:22 +0200 Received: from 70.91.57.77-busname-panjde.hfc.comcastbusiness.net ([70.91.57.77]:6336 helo=[10.1.10.66]) by nova.lunarpages.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SgcHT-0008CH-OD for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:46:12 -0700 From: James WIlson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-942718618 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 09:46:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <411A5E32-49FB-4511-9643-3A1134C9CE52@jwmm.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - nova.lunarpages.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - jwmm.com --Apple-Mail-9-942718618 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ya I guess so, but I always thought that large sister companies usually = have to use from within the family so they can boost their bottom lines = artificially. Kind of like only Coke or Pepsi available at certain fast = food chains owned by the same conglomerate. On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Greg Balint wrote: > You can install Linux on cheaper and also more available hardware = instead of Apple approved hardware.=20 >=20 > ////Greg Balint > ///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > delRAZOR.com/ >=20 > On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:37 AM, James WIlson wrote: >=20 >> So what is the advantage of Linux if OSX is based on the same = architecture? Other than being free. I would imagine that the same = software could be written for OSX? >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:17 AM, patrick siemer wrote: >>=20 >>> One other thing, while the Editorial department may use Final Cut = for smaller projects, >>> the Feature Flms are all edited on AVID editing systems, and always = have been on macs. >>> -patrick =20 >>> =20 >>> On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:05 AM, patrick siemer wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I know something about that subject. >>>> While most everyone at Pixar has a mac at or near their desk, All = the hard core rendering is done on a Unix render farm. The staff is = generally split between Linux and Mac OS. >>>> Editorial, Story and Art departments use Mac OS. Macs are also = used by legal, marketing and administration type departments. Layout, = Tools, Rendering, Lighting and Animation use Linux workstations. Most = of the Technical Directors use linux workstations, (like dell or HP) = there might be an OS x port of the animation software, but I don't think = it is widely used if at all. One thing for sure, you will not find any = Microsoft OS, anywhere. >>>> I personally spit out many minutes of finished frames from After = Effects on a mac pro, but that was just compositing for "Cars" many = motion graphic sequences. We did that because AE was the best tool to = do "Broadcast Design" and Motion Graphics. It was done outside the = regular production "Pipeline" and treated as a special thing. >>>> hope that clears things up. >>>> -patrick siemer >>>>=20 >>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, James WIlson wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> I've been semi following this thread and I can't help but = wonder...isn't Pixar using Mac Pros to crank out all those frames? Why = would Jobs ignore such money maker as the ongoing development of the = power workflow for cinema? I mean there's just as much money in ticket = sales, royalties, and merchandizing as any other product line so I = wouldn't see why the MacPro development would fall by the wayside for = volume iPhone and iPad sales alone unless they're just not using any of = them. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Perhaps someone here knows more about the inner workings of the = Pixar. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Anyone else wonder if Steve could have cared less about the = high-end machines any more because they weren't high profile enough so = they had been shelved as far as development resources? Maybe Tim is = smart enough to realize that the "pros" actually are an important part = of the market and put them back in the development pipeline. That is = why they are so far out from being shipped. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Scott >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl Newman wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Well, first you have to have a TB hub so that you can attach = your ethernet, storage adapters and monitor. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Most TB devices can daisy-chain depending on the chip they used. = Obviously an ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of the chain, or = on the new Retina MBP it could be on a second port. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can = daisy-chain two Apple Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, = including the MBP, running at once. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Karl Newman >>>>>>> Karl Newman Productions >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> kwnewman@verizon.net >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 --Apple-Mail-9-942718618 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Ya I = guess so, but I always thought that large sister companies usually have = to use from within the family so they can boost their bottom lines = artificially. Kind of like only Coke or Pepsi available at certain fast = food chains owned by the same = conglomerate.


On Jun 18, 2012, at 9:40 = AM, Greg Balint wrote:

You can install Linux on cheaper and also more = available hardware instead of Apple approved = hardware. 

////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion = Graphics Designer

On = Jun 18, 2012, at 9:37 AM, James WIlson <lists@jwmm.com> = wrote:

So what is = the advantage of Linux if OSX is based on the same architecture? Other = than being free. I would imagine that the same software could be written = for OSX?


On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:17 AM, = patrick siemer wrote:

One other thing, while the = Editorial department may use Final Cut for smaller projects,
the = Feature Flms are all edited on AVID editing systems, and always have = been on macs.
-patrick  
 
On = Jun 16, 2012, at 8:05 AM, patrick siemer wrote:

I know something about that = subject.
While most everyone at Pixar has a mac at or near their = desk, All the hard core rendering is done on a Unix render farm. The = staff is generally split between Linux and Mac OS.
Editorial, = Story and Art departments use Mac OS.  Macs are also used by legal, = marketing and administration type departments.  Layout, Tools, = Rendering, Lighting and Animation  use Linux workstations. =  Most of the Technical Directors use linux workstations, (like dell = or HP) there might be an OS x port of the animation software, but I = don't think it is widely used if  at all.  One thing for sure, = you will not find any Microsoft OS, anywhere.
I personally = spit out many minutes of finished  frames from After Effects on a = mac pro, but that was just compositing for "Cars" many motion graphic = sequences.  We did that because AE was the best tool to do = "Broadcast Design" and Motion Graphics.  It was done outside the = regular production "Pipeline" and treated as a special = thing.
hope that clears things up.
-patrick = siemer

On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:28 AM, = James WIlson wrote:

I've been semi following this = thread and I can't help but wonder...isn't Pixar using Mac Pros to crank = out all those frames? Why would Jobs ignore such money maker as the = ongoing development of the power workflow for cinema? I mean there's = just as much money in ticket sales, royalties, and merchandizing as any = other product line so I wouldn't see why the MacPro development would = fall by the wayside for volume iPhone and iPad sales alone unless = they're just not using any of them.

Perhaps someone = here knows more about the inner workings of the = Pixar.



On Jun 14, = 2012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote:

Anyone else wonder if Steve = could have cared less about the high-end machines any more  because = they weren't high profile enough so they had been shelved as far as = development resources?  Maybe Tim is smart enough to realize that = the "pros" actually are an important part of the market and put them = back in the development pipeline.  That is why they are so far out = from being shipped.

Scott

On = Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl Newman wrote:

On Jun 14, 2012, at = 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote:

Well, first = you have to have a TB hub so that you can attach your ethernet, storage = adapters and monitor.

Most TB = devices can daisy-chain depending on the chip they used. Obviously an = ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of the chain, or on the new = Retina MBP it could be on a second port.

One = thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can daisy-chain two = Apple Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, including the MBP, = running at once.


Karl Newman
Karl Newman = Productions



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