Return-Path: Received: from m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.4] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4752990 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 01:18:38 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([173.247.4.230]) by m1plsmtpa01-03.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id QnMY1j0064xm87901nMZgo; Wed, 20 Jun 2012 16:21:33 -0700 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 19:22:02 -0400 From: Greg Balint To: After Effects Mail List , Robert Behnke Message-ID: <2D509A90F2864340857D967E23672EF8@delrazor.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Radeon HD 5570 3 monitors MDP cable to DP cable work? X-Mailer: sparrow 1.2 (build 479.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="4fe25b1b_7545e146_288" --4fe25b1b_7545e146_288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On mdp to do cables and adapters I don't think there's any delineation fo= r =22active=22 or =22passive=22. I think they'll just work. In my situat= ion I was going from mdp to DVI. So I needed an active adapter. =20 I think you should be able to get away with two mdp to dp cables and a DV= I to DVI for the third screen. Unless you have more than 2 mdp connectio= ns on the back of that card. Then just do all three the same way, mdp to = dp, and you should be golden. =20 -- =20 Greg Balint Sent with Sparrow (http://www.sparrowmailapp.com/=3Fsig) On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Robert Behnke wrote: > Greg, thanks again=21 =20 > =20 > What is your take on the link below=3F It says to connect MDP to MDP. M= y monitors do not have MDP, but they do have DP. Are DP and MDP that diff= erent=3F I to have been worried about the power issue. =20 > =20 > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4279 > =20 > =20 > =20 > Robert Behnke > =46rom: Greg Balint > To: After Effects Mail List =20 > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 6:45 PM > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D OT: Radeon HD 5570 3 monitors MDP cable to DP cab= le work=3F > =20 > True. I didn't think about eyefinity not being on the mac. =20 > =20 > The Mac should be able to handle the 3 displays just fine. Eyefinity do= es something different, where it literally treats the 3 panels as just on= e screen. Pop a background on the desktop and > It's just one image all the way across. Etc. =20 > =20 > I think the tearing only happens when in this mode, since it's trying t= o act as one screen. The Mac will handle it as 3 screens as normal. =20 > =20 > I do know for almost certain (99.9%) that a non powered mdp to dp adapt= er will NOT work. Which is why I had to go for the one I bought. Somethin= g about the card not having power to those ports to be able to do all 3 m= onitors. Again. May slightly be only in eyefinity mode. =20 > =20 > Good luck=21 > =20 > ////Greg Balint > ///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > delRAZOR.com/ (http://delrazor.com/) > =20 > =20 > On Jun 19, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Robert Behnke wrote: > =20 > > Greg, thanks for the link and all the info=21 That was another option= I was looking at. If the MPD to DP adapters do not work, then I will giv= e those a go. Not a big deal with the screen tearing, seems pretty minor.= I am guessing that I do not have eyefinity on the Mac either so I am not= sure if that will make things more or less complicated... =20 > > =20 > > Robert > > =46rom: Greg Balint > > To: After Effects Mail List =20 > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:20 PM > > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D OT: Radeon HD 5570 3 monitors MDP cable to DP c= able work=3F > > =20 > > =46YI. =20 > > =20 > > Running on a pc here with a 6970 card triple head. =20 > > =20 > > I bought this. =20 > > =20 > > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx=3FItem=3D12-200-944 > > =20 > > Then hooked two monitors up via the 2 DVI ports on the back of the ca= rd, and connected the third monitor using that adapter to DVI. =20 > > =20 > > WORD O=46 WARNING: > > Depending on how you setup the eyefinity/ desktop layout settings, fo= r 3 screens you'll have screen tearing on either the monitor you use the = adapter for, or the other two. ATI cards do not have a secondary frequenc= y clock adjustment for multiple monitors from what I've read. In other w= ords, either your adapter fed monitor will be at a =22wrong refresh rate=22= to try matching the other two, or the other two will be the wrong ones t= o try matching the displayport one. =20 > > =20 > > It's not horrible tearing or anything, but there is a noticeable line= where when dragging windows around or watching video on the screen it wi= ll be a fraction of a second behind the top portion of the screen. Here's= a video of the extent of the tearing while dragging a window around. =20 > > =20 > > http://www.youtube.com/watch=3Fv=3DsaG2mr6qM=5F8 > > =20 > > Mine, the line where the tear happens actually slowly moves down the = screen, so it's not like it was avoidable for certain uses. =20 > > =20 > > I set mine up with the Adapter fed screen being the incorrect frequen= cy, which allowed me to put that one on my right, like in that video, and= use it for documents, photoshop, or whatever, while I work on the middle= monitor with most of my tools and timeline, and my left monitor has the = comp viewer and effects palette along the vertical near the middle monito= r. =20 > > =20 > > As far as I know, the only way not to get this to happen is to have a= card with enough MDP or DP jacks to feed your monitors correctly, or to = buy a =22plug into the wall=22 powered hub that's like =24130 that feeds = 3 monitors via one MDP off of the back of the card. =20 > > =20 > > Hope this helps. =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > ////Greg Balint > > ///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > > delRAZOR.com/ (http://delrazor.com/) > > =20 > > =20 > > On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Robert Behnke wrote: > > =20 > > > Thanks. It is a Mac and replacing the current card is not an option= . I will just order either the cables or the adapters and see that happen= s. If it doesn't work I will only be out 30.00 or so. =20 > > > =20 > > > Robert > > > =46rom: Stephen van Vuuren > > > To: After Effects Mail List =20 > > > Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D OT: Radeon HD 5570 3 monitors MDP cable to DP= cable work=3F > > > =20 > > > > In my opinion, I'd grab another nvidia card flashed to mac firmwa= re (or not, it will still work) instead of the ATI, like a gtx 580. > > > =20 > > > Most nVidia cards, including the GTX 580, only support 2 monitors a= t one time, no matter how many connections on the card. I have a second G= PU for my third monitor. The 680 does support 3 (and maybe another model)= but if going nVidia, read carefully. > > > =20 > > > stephen van vuuren > > > 336.202.4777 > > > =20 > > > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ > > > http://www.sv2studios.com/ > > > http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ > > > =20 > > > A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than lik= e fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, w= hat=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. > > > =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > =20 > > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > =20 > =20 --4fe25b1b_7545e146_288 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
On mdp to do cables and adapters I don't think there's any deline= ation for =22active=22 or =22passive=22. I think they'll just work.  = ;In my situation I was going from mdp to DVI. So I needed an active adapt= er. 

I think you should be able to get away with two mdp to dp cables a= nd a DVI to DVI for the third screen.  Unless you have more than 2 m= dp connections on the back of that card. Then just do all three the same = way, mdp to dp, and you should be golden. 

--&= nbsp;
Greg Balint
Sent with Sparrow

=20

On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 at 7:0= 3 PM, Robert Behnke wrote:

Greg, thanks again=21=

What is your tak= e on the link below=3F It says to connect MDP to MDP. My monitors do not = have MDP, but they do have DP. Are DP and MDP that different= =3F I to have been worried about the power issue. 
=
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4279


 
Robert Behnke
=46rom: Greg Balint <gr= eg=40delrazor.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
= Sent: Tuesday, June = 19, 2012 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D OT: Radeon HD 5570 3 monitors MDP cable to DP cabl= e work=3F

True. I didn't think about eyefinit= y not being on the mac. 

The Mac should be = able to handle the 3 displays just fine. Eyefinity does something differe= nt, where it literally treats the 3 panels as just one screen. Pop a back= ground on the desktop and
It's just one image all the way acros= s. Etc. 

I think the tearing only happens w= hen in this mode, since it's trying to act as one screen.  The Mac w= ill handle it as 3 screens as normal. 

I do= know for almost certain (99.9%) that a non powered mdp to dp adapter wil= l NOT work. Which is why I had to go for the one I bought. Something abou= t the card not having power to those ports to be able to do all 3 monitor= s. Again. May slightly be only in eyefinity mode. 

Good luck=21

////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion = Graphics Designer

On Jun 1= 9, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Robert Behnke <robert=5Fbehnke=40yahoo.com>= wrote:

Greg, thanks for= the link and all the info=21 That was another option I was looking at. I= f the MPD to DP adapters do not work, then I will give those a go. Not a = big deal with the screen tearing, seems pretty minor. I am guessing that = I do not have eyefinity on the Mac either so I am not sure if that= will make things more or less complicated... 
 
Robert
=46rom: = Greg Balint <greg=40delrazor.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:20 PM
= Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D OT= : Radeon HD 5570 3 monitors MDP cable to DP cable work=3F
=46YI. 

Running on a pc here with a 6970 card triple head. 

I bought this. 

http://www= .newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx=3FItem=3D12-200-944

=
Then hooked two monitors up via the 2 DVI ports on the back of the c= ard, and connected the third monitor using that adapter to DVI. 

WORD O=46 WARNING:
Depending on how you s= etup the eyefinity/ desktop layout settings, for 3 screens you'll have sc= reen tearing on either the monitor you use the adapter for, or the other = two. ATI cards do not have a secondary frequency clock adjustment for mul= tiple monitors from what I've read.  In other words, either your ada= pter fed monitor will be at a =22wrong refresh rate=22 to try matching th= e other two, or the other two will be the wrong ones to try matching the = displayport one. 

It's not horrible tearing or anythin= g, but there is a noticeable line where when dragging windows around or w= atching video on the screen it will be a fraction of a second behind the = top portion of the screen. Here's a video of the extent of the tearing wh= ile dragging a window around. 

http://www.youtub= e.com/watch=3Fv=3DsaG2mr6qM=5F8

Mine, the line w= here the tear happens actually slowly moves down the screen, so it's not = like it was avoidable for certain uses. 

I se= t mine up with the Adapter fed screen being the incorrect frequency, whic= h allowed me to put that one on my right, like in that video, and use it = for documents, photoshop, or whatever, while I work on the middle monitor= with most of my tools and timeline, and my left monitor has the comp vie= wer and effects palette along the vertical near the middle monitor. 

As far as I know, the only way n= ot to get this to happen is to have a card with enough MDP or DP jacks to= feed your monitors correctly, or to buy a =22plug into the wall=22 power= ed hub that's like =24130 that feeds 3 monitors via one MDP off of the ba= ck of the card.  

Hope this helps. 


////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion G= raphics Designer

= On Jun 18, 2012, at 10:10 PM, Robert Behnke <robert=5Fbehnke=40yahoo.= com> wrote:

Thank= s. It is a Mac and replacing the current card is not an option. I will just order eithe= r the cables or the adapters and see that happens. If it doesn't work I w= ill only be out 30.00 or so.
 
Rober= t
=46rom: Stephen van Vuuren <= ;step= hen=40sv2studios.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List=40media-motion.tv> =
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D OT: Radeon HD 5570 3 monitors MDP ca= ble to DP cable work=3F

> In my opinion, I'd grab another nvi= dia card flashed to mac firmware (or not, it will still work) instead of = the ATI, like a gtx 580.
 
Most nVidia cards, including the GTX 580, only support 2 = monitors at one time, no matter how many connections on the card. I have = a second GPU for my third monitor. The 680 does support 3 (and maybe anot= her model) but if going nVidia, read carefully.
 
= stephen van vu= uren
336.202.4777
 
http://www.sv2studios.com/
 
A film is =E2=80=93 or should b= e =E2=80=93 more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression= of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the= meaning, all that comes later.
=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick
 
=


<= /span>


=


=20 =20 =20 =20
=20

--4fe25b1b_7545e146_288--