Return-Path: Received: from m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.174] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4753816 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 18:22:06 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([173.247.4.230]) by m1plsmtpa01-02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with id R4R21j0044xm879014R2pS; Thu, 21 Jun 2012 09:25:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2012 12:25:32 -0400 From: Greg Balint To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <6E97A0A4E48A4D008EF24538B9737103@delrazor.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] contracts, slightly OT X-Mailer: sparrow 1.2 (build 479.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="4fe34afc_6763845e_a26" --4fe34afc_6763845e_a26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline This has also been my experience. The larger the company, the slower the= pay, but the larger the budget. =20 The problem with smaller clients, is that they sometimes don't have the m= oney in their own accounts to pay ME when the work is done, so they have = to wait for their client to pay them before I get paid. Sometimes taking= up to 2+ months. =20 I actually have a clause in my contract that states this. =20 =22Payment is due within 30 days of invoice creation (NET30). If payment = is not received within this period, a fee will be assessed of 5% of the i= nvoice price for each DAY payment is late. This fee will be added to the = current invoice and is due immediately with the delinquent payment.=22 Normally my clients have no issues with this clause in the contract. If = they raise question to it, my only response is this. =20 =22If I didn't deliver the time sensitive work you needed on time, due to= my own choice, don't you think you'd be frustrated about that=3F Wouldn'= t you feel like you should have some sort of action in place in case I do= n't deliver=3F Like. =22we don't have to pay you as much.=22=3F Do you think if you decided to not pay the power company until =22you wan= ted to=22 that they'd continue to give you their service out of =22 /////Greg Balint ///Art Director / Motion Designer /321/514/4839 delRAZOR.com/ On Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > In my experience I often find the largest companies are the slowest to = pay. I have heard from people on the inside it is something of a company = policy to delay freelance invoices so the budgets looks better. Additiona= lly, if you're not =22in the system=22 yet there's always some lazy body = in accounting who forgets to include you in that pay cycle. I find smalle= r places it's easier to get paid quickly because of the personal connecti= on. However I would agree there's more risk of a small place never paying= at all. And like jim said I usually go hourly first or demand half up fr= ont when the bid is accepted. Unless I have grave misgivings or its a hug= e project I usually don't bother with a contract. Risky, but 90% of my bu= siness is done with a handshake... I worry places would be put off if it = came to that. I work regularly in nyc, maybe things are different in LA e= tc > On Jun 21, 2012 11:33 AM, =22Jim Curtis=22 wrote: > > I have different kinds of clients. Some are small production compani= es and agencies. Some huge corporations and non-profits. The latter one= s make me sign their PSA, and I always get paid on their schedule. It's = the small agencies who are the worst, and the most likely to either nicke= l-and-dime me, take forever to pay, or dock my invoice for some imagined = shortcoming. > > =20 > > I wish I could hold onto masters as a lien/security, but most project= s are time-sensitive, and that's seldom possible or practical. > > =20 > > When I was in production, and on the hook for payments for film, free= lancers, meals, travel, etc., I demanded =E2=85=93 up front, =E2=85=93 up= on completion of production, and balance upon delivery of master, spelled= out in a written agreement. > > =20 > > But, now I'm strictly post. I do have a standard spiel for new clien= ts: I charge by the hour until a working relationship is established, so= I know what I'm getting into in terms of client involvement and working = methods. If they demand a bid, I tell them up front, I'm going to bid do= uble what I think the job will really require, to try to prevent working = for half price. > > =20 > > Nothing is written. It says on my invoice that =22Payment is due upo= n receipt=22 (although many of them ignore this, and pay me after they ge= t paid). > > =20 > > I haven't been shafted since I cut an independent short for a so-call= ed =22friend.=22 > > =20 > > =20 > > =20 > > On Jun 21, 2012, at 8:28 AM, henry birdseye wrote: > > =20 > > > After reading the absolutely horrifying stories on The World's Long= est Invoice (http://worldslongestinvoice.tumblr.com/), I'm highly motivat= ed to require a contract with new customers. > > > > > > How many of you are using contracts and do you have an example of o= ne that pertains directly to motion graphic work=3F > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > =20 > > =20 > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to --4fe34afc_6763845e_a26 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
This has also been my experience.  The larger the company, t= he slower the pay, but the larger the budget.  

The problem with smaller clients, is that they sometimes don't hav= e the money in their own accounts to pay ME when the work is done, so the= y have to wait for their client to pay them before I get paid.  Some= times taking up to 2+ months. 
I actually have a clause in my cont= ract that states this. 

=22Payment is due within 30 days of invoic= e creation (NET30). If payment is not received within this period, a fee = will be assessed of 5% of the invoice price for each DAY payment is late.= This fee will be added to the current invoice and is due immediately wit= h the delinquent payment.=22

Normally my clients have no issues with th= is clause in the contract.  If they raise question to it, my only re= sponse is this. 

=22If I didn't deliver the time sensitive work yo= u needed on time, due to my own choice, don't you think you'd be frustrat= ed about that=3F Wouldn't you feel like you should have some sort of acti= on in place in case I don't deliver=3F  Like. =22we don't have to pa= y you as much.=22=3F

Do you think if you decided to not pay the power c= ompany until =22you wanted to=22 that they'd continue to give you their s= ervice out of =22


/////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion Designer
/321/514= /4839
delRAZOR.com/

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On Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 11:4= 8 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

In my experience I= often find the largest companies are the slowest to pay. I have heard fr= om people on the inside it is something of a company policy to delay free= lance invoices so the budgets looks better. Additionally, if you're not =22= in the system=22 yet there's always some lazy body in accounting who forg= ets to include you in that pay cycle. I find smaller places it's easier t= o get paid quickly because of the personal connection. However I would ag= ree there's more risk of a small place never paying at all. And like jim = said I usually go hourly first or demand half up front when the bid is ac= cepted. Unless I have grave misgivings or its a huge project I usually do= n't bother with a contract. Risky, but 90% of my business is done with a = handshake... I worry places would be put off if it came to that. I work r= egularly in nyc, maybe things are different in LA etc

On Jun 21, 2012 11:33 AM, =22Jim Curtis=22 <jpcurtis=40me.com> wrote:
I have different kinds of clients.  Some are small production compan= ies and agencies.  Some huge corporations and non-profits.  The= latter ones make me sign their PSA, and I always get paid on their sched= ule.  It's the small agencies who are the worst, and the most likely= to either nickel-and-dime me, take forever to pay, or dock my invoice fo= r some imagined shortcoming.

I wish I could hold onto masters as a lien/security, but most projects ar= e time-sensitive, and that's seldom possible or practical.

When I was in production, and on the hook for payments for film, freelanc= ers, meals, travel, etc., I demanded =E2=85=93 up front, =E2=85=93 upon c= ompletion of production, and balance upon delivery of master, spelled out= in a written agreement.

But, now I'm strictly post.  I do have a standard spiel for new clie= nts:  I charge by the hour until a working relationship is establish= ed, so I know what I'm getting into in terms of client involvement and wo= rking methods.  If they demand a bid, I tell them up front, I'm goin= g to bid double what I think the job will really require, to try to preve= nt working for half price.

Nothing is written.  It says on my invoice that =22Payment is due up= on receipt=22 (although many of them ignore this, and pay me after they g= et paid).

I haven't been shafted since I cut an independent short for a so-called =22= friend.=22



On Jun 21, 2012, at 8:28 AM, henry birdseye wrote:

> After reading the absolutely horrifying stories on The World's Longe= st Invoice (http://worldslongestinvoice.tumblr.com/), I'm high= ly motivated to require a contract with new customers.
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> How many of you are using contracts and do you have an example of on= e that pertains directly to motion graphic work=3F
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> Thanks in advance.
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