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From: Greg Balint <greg@delrazor.com>
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Subject: Re: [AE] contracts, slightly OT
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No problem.   

I know getting work and being paid are sometimes the most important thing, but try to never back down from your stance. If they refuse to sign a contract because of that clause, then they have reservations of paying you on time and it probably isn't worth it. 

Look at it like a pre-nup agreement, except with no emotional ties to the deal.  I've had a few clients say they are fine with all of the payment and project info we've discussed up front, and they are fine with me sending over a contract, but as soon as I do, they decide to not work with me, or ask about altering that clause.   It's not worth it to me, to be strung along  and not paid on time because of it. I could have been doing work for a good standing client that pays on time during their project. 

Also, I suggest using www.echosign.com for all contracts. Gives clients no excuse not to sign. They merely have to click a few times and type their name. 

By the way, I need to state this, as I don't want anything bad to happen.  

I am not a lawyer and any advice I have given or will give does not constitute for legal advice. If you really want an airtight contract and legal back-up, I would suggest hiring a lawyer.  

I'll post up an example contract the list can check out if they need help. I know when I first started, this was a huge issue and I never quite found good contract templates out there that represented our field very well. 


/////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion Designer
/321/514/4839
delRAZOR.com/


On Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 12:36 PM, henry birdseye wrote:

> Thank you, Greg.
> 
> I'm approaching a "slow" client and want to be covered somehow.
> 
> I appreciate it.
> 
> HB
> 
> 
> On 6/21/2012 9:59 AM, Greg Balint wrote:
> > I keep a contract for every client. I'll send you one shortly for 
> > example. All mograph work.
> > 
> > /////Greg Balint
> > ///Art Director / Motion Designer
> > /321/514/4839
> > delRAZOR.com/
> > 
> > On Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 9:28 AM, henry birdseye wrote:
> > 
> > > After reading the absolutely horrifying stories on The World's Longest
> > > Invoice (http://worldslongestinvoice.tumblr.com/), I'm highly motivated
> > > to require a contract with new customers.
> > > 
> > > How many of you are using contracts and do you have an example of one
> > > that pertains directly to motion graphic work?
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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        No problem. &nbsp;
    </div><div id=3D=22reply-content=22><br></div><div id=3D=22reply-cont=
ent=22>I know getting work and being paid are sometimes the most importan=
t thing, but try to never back down from your stance. If they refuse to s=
ign a contract because of that clause, then they have reservations of pay=
ing you on time and it probably isn't worth it.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D=22r=
eply-content=22><br></div><div id=3D=22reply-content=22>Look at it like a=
 pre-nup agreement, except with no emotional ties to the deal. &nbsp;I've=
 had a few clients say they are fine with all of the payment and project =
info we've discussed up front, and they are fine with me sending over a c=
ontract, but as soon as I do, they decide to not work with me, or ask abo=
ut altering that clause. &nbsp; It's not worth it to me, to be strung alo=
ng &nbsp;and not paid on time because of it. I could have been doing work=
 for a good standing client that pays on time during their project.&nbsp;=
</div><div id=3D=22reply-content=22><br></div><div id=3D=22reply-content=22=
>Also, I suggest using www.echosign.com for all contracts. Gives clients =
no excuse not to sign. They merely have to click a few times and type the=
ir name.&nbsp;</div><div id=3D=22reply-content=22><br></div><div id=3D=22=
reply-content=22>By the way, I need to state this, as I don't want anythi=
ng bad to happen. &nbsp;</div><div id=3D=22reply-content=22><br></div><di=
v id=3D=22reply-content=22>I am not a lawyer and any advice I have given =
or will give does not constitute for legal advice. If you really want an =
airtight contract and legal back-up, I would suggest hiring a lawyer.&nbs=
p;</div>
    <div id=3D=22CA85=46A57=46DC343ACA8D86E6BDE1398BC=22><div><br></div><=
div>I'll post up an example contract the list can check out if they need =
help. I know when I first started, this was a huge issue and I never quit=
e found good contract templates out there that represented our field very=
 well.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>/////Greg Balint<br>///Ar=
t Director / Motion Designer<br>/321/514/4839<br>delRAZOR.com/<div><br></=
div></div>
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    <p style=3D=22color: =23A0A0A8;=22>On Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 12:3=
6 PM, henry birdseye wrote:</p>
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        <div id=3D=22quoted-message-content=22><div><div>Thank you, Greg.=
</div><div><br></div><div>I'm approaching a =22slow=22 client and want to=
 be covered somehow.</div><div><br></div><div>I appreciate it.</div><div>=
<br></div><div>HB</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 6/21/2012 9:=
59 AM, Greg Balint wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22><div><div>I =
keep a contract for every client. I'll send you one shortly for </div><di=
v>example. All mograph work.</div><div><br></div><div>/////Greg Balint</d=
iv><div>///Art Director / Motion Designer</div><div>/321/514/4839</div><d=
iv>delRAZOR.com/</div><div><br></div><div>On Thursday, June 21, 2012 at 9=
:28 AM, henry birdseye wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type=3D=22c=
ite=22><div><div>After reading the absolutely horrifying stories on The W=
orld's Longest</div><div>Invoice (http://worldslongestinvoice.tumblr.com/=
), I'm highly motivated</div><div>to require a contract with new customer=
s.</div><div><br></div><div>How many of you are using contracts and do yo=
u have an example of one</div><div>that pertains directly to motion graph=
ic work=3F</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks in advance.</div><div><br></di=
v><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>+---End of message---+</div><div>To =
unsubscribe send any message to &lt;ae-list-off=40media-motion.tv&gt;</di=
v></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>+---End of message---+</div><div>To unsubscribe send any=
 message to &lt;ae-list-off=40media-motion.tv&gt;</div></div></div>
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