Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([173.201.193.110] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4755327 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 15:20:01 +0200 Received: (qmail 7717 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2012 13:23:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (166.147.116.149) by p3plsmtpa08-09.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.193.110) with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2012 13:23:00 -0000 Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 09:23:27 -0400 From: Greg Balint To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] [OT]: Please tell me why not to get a AMD Radeon 7970 X-Mailer: sparrow 1.2 (build 479.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="4fe5c34f_2901d82_30f1" --4fe5c34f_2901d82_30f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline This guy just sounds like an Amd fanboy. And I'll admit, I'm an AMD/ATi fanboy as well. But that doesn't change the fact that for AE performance, currently, the Nvidia cards with supported CUDA will definitely help you out more if you ever plan on using the ray tracing engine. if you don't plan on using that feature, well , then it's probably more of an even field, with price to performance ratio being a main concern. I run a 6970 right now and can honestly say the ray tracing using the CPU instead of GPU is horribly slow. I've bounced around the thought of getting a headless Nvidia card to help with this function, but I probably wont use the feature enough to warrant the card. Also, I like to play games in my off-time. And for that purpose, I really like Amd/ATI cards more. They offer more power for the price when gaming is in mind. But that doesn't help with production performance. I don't know how much better the Nvidia card would be vs and/ATI for cinema 4d viewport performance though. There are also some GPU based renderers for C4D. I'm unsure of benchmark results for those either, but if you aren't expecting to use those, or the raytracing features in AE, I'd say you could probably save a hundred or two by going with Amd/ATI. Haven't checked market prices lately. /////Greg Balint ///Art Director / Motion Designer /321/514/4839 delRAZOR.com/ On Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 2:51 AM, scott.aelist wrote: > I'm about to purchase a custom-build PC and am trying to decide on a graphics card. I want something that works well for AE and Cinema 4D. It seems that both these apps rely primarily on the CPU, and very little on the GPU. All things being equal, I thought I would go with the Nvidia card because it supports the CS6 raytracing. But a guy on a forum is -quite- emphatic that I should get this Radeon card. Can explain to me why he's wrong? > > our conversation went as follows: > -------------------------------------------- > RALPH: Buddy. The 670 is not a good card for workstations. NVidia basically crippled the cuda performance on the 6xx line to make it better for gaming. Get a 7970 instead, it has way more compute power. > > ME: I want to go with the Nvidia because Radeon isn't fully supported by this program I use (After Effects.) Also, someone pointed out to me that most of my concern should be the wait time on software rendering, so in my case it's more about the CPU. Anyhow it was helpful to know about the difference between the GTX 6xx so I'll probably get a 5xx model. > > RALPH: That's only mostly untrue. From Adobe's system requirements page (http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/tech-specs.html), it says only that AMD cards don't support GPU acceleration, an unnecessary function. Past that, you will get more power out of the 7970 as the CUDA cores are nearly non-existant on the 6xx line, and the compute power on the 5xx line isn't close to the 7970's. > --------------------------------------------- > > --4fe5c34f_2901d82_30f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
This guy just sounds like an Amd fanboy.

And I'll admit, I'm an AMD/ATi fanboy as well. 

But that does= n't change the fact that for AE performance, currently, the Nvidia cards = with supported CUDA will definitely help you out more if you ever plan on= using the ray tracing engine. if you don't plan on using that feature, w= ell , then it's probably more of an even field, with price to performance= ratio being a main concern.  
I run a 6970 right now and can hone= stly say the ray tracing using the CPU instead of GPU is horribly slow. &= nbsp;I've bounced around the thought of getting a headless Nvidia card to= help with this function, but I probably wont use the feature enough to w= arrant the card. 

Also, I like to play games in my off-time. And f= or that purpose, I really like Amd/ATI cards more. They offer more power = for the price when gaming is in mind. But that doesn't help with producti= on performance. 

I don't know how much better the Nvidia card woul= d be vs and/ATI for cinema 4d viewport performance though. 

There = are also some GPU based renderers for C4D. I'm unsure of benchmark result= s for those either, but if you aren't expecting to use those, or the rayt= racing features in AE, I'd say you could probably save a hundred or two b= y going with Amd/ATI.  Haven't checked market prices lately. 

/////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion Designer
/321/514/4839delRAZOR.com/

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On Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 2:51= AM, scott.aelist wrote:

I'm about to purchase= a custom-build PC and am trying to decide on a graphics card. I want som= ething that works well for AE and Cinema 4D. It seems that both these app= s rely primarily on the CPU, and very little on the GPU. All things being= equal, I thought I would go with the Nvidia card because it supports the= CS6 raytracing. But a guy on a forum is -quite- emphatic that I should g= et this Radeon card. Can explain to me why he's wrong=3F

our conversation went as follows:
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RALPH: Buddy. The 670 is not a good card for workstations= . NVidia basically crippled =20 the cuda performance on the 6xx line to make it better for gaming. Get a 7970 instead, it has way more compute power.

ME: I want = to go with the Nvidia because Radeon isn't fully supported by =20 this program I use (After Effects.) Also, someone pointed out to me that most of my concern should be the wait time on software =20 rendering, so in my case it's more about the CPU. Anyhow it was helpful =20 to know about the difference between the GTX 6xx so I'll probably get a =20 5xx model.

RALPH: That's only mostly untrue. =46rom Adobe's system requirements page, it says only that AMD cards don't support GPU acceleration, an =20 unnecessary function. Past that, you will get more power out of the 7970 as the CUDA cores are nearly non-existant on the 6xx line, and the =20 compute power on the 5xx line isn't close to the 7970's.
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