Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4755482 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 20:43:19 +0200 Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so3879661obh.28 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:46:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=0nt4F8fe0KKUHd5lWIc+klUAMyrWGHNMJxm97Qb9Rp8=; b=1Fc6MWMEIpM2SMH1s/HEkOnJ9R3WGDJJ5nCuvLdfQ+qpYRv7g2zmRsoaeAJ8WTOET0 3Q/z3qJjGz1BxeA0cZjkJHh2Ma3aeT6u7nHa+GScysuhnGhsUpNSOgs/WazuhonCR6WJ Tao5OS0EvCOO/SzHjnhz2IL4HhSElx+323FcwrmpnS3vtslYnQxBGCwu/OG42Mjzrz3s X89AvMfNszJFqQYkI4+7/FiRIt0B41kpDqBd9+kpVWYu+X0Sb7splsAG/GtqK4psdIBL RM3xSZiCDeI9GIhN+jNKuaT3BOAAty3zUIBBe1DeuM62I2LHozOCGzhqCPbT3fDwtjlT Z0tg== Received: by 10.182.46.104 with SMTP id u8mr6606768obm.74.1340477179637; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:46:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.199.41 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jun 2012 11:45:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2012 14:45:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] [OT]: Please tell me why not to get a AMD Radeon 7970 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044518191f2df204c3282a47 --f46d044518191f2df204c3282a47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not to mention serious issues with ATI / AMD driver compatibility and security. It is kind of generally known among 3D artists that AMD drivers are not very stable or reliable. I know it's why some people insist on quadros vs GTX series as well http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/06/07/1653206/amdati-video-drivers-unsafe-at-any-speed On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Jim Tierney wrote: > Actually there was a recent thread that went over which nvidia card is > better, just search for "Benchmarking AE CUDA". Turns out the 5xx series > is probably the better cards, or at least, no worse than the 6xx series. > Thanks to Teddy Gage for doing that initial testing.**** > > ** ** > > On the PC, our two top cards that we test are the 7950 and the 570. It's > for testing Beauty Box which is all OpenCL, so the CUDA stuff doesn't > matter for us. The 7950 edges out the 570 in AE, but not by much (and > again, we're just testing a 2D plugin, not using ray tracing). I assume if > you had a 580 or 590 they'd be comparable or faster. In Premiere the 570 > smokes the 7950. We may be using OpenCL but of course Premiere really uses > CUDA and it makes a big difference having the nvidia card.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Cheers,**** > > Jim**** > > ----------------------**** > > Jim Tierney**** > > President**** > > Digital Anarchy**** > > http://www.digitalanarchy.com**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *scott.aelist > *Sent:* Friday, June 22, 2012 11:51 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* [AE] [OT]: Please tell me why not to get a AMD Radeon 7970**** > > ** ** > > I'm about to purchase a custom-build PC and am trying to decide on a > graphics card. I want something that works well for AE and Cinema 4D. It > seems that both these apps rely primarily on the CPU, and very little on > the GPU. All things being equal, I thought I would go with the Nvidia card > because it supports the CS6 raytracing. But a guy on a forum is -quite- > emphatic that I should get this Radeon card. Can explain to me why he's > wrong? > > our conversation went as follows: > -------------------------------------------- > RALPH: Buddy. The 670 is not a good card for workstations. NVidia > basically crippled the cuda performance on the 6xx line to make it better > for gaming. Get a 7970 instead, it has *way* more compute power. > > ME: I want to go with the Nvidia because Radeon isn't fully supported by > this program I use (After Effects.) Also, someone pointed out to me that > most of my concern should be the wait time on *software* rendering, so in > my case it's more about the CPU. Anyhow it was helpful to know about the > difference between the GTX 6xx so I'll probably get a 5xx model. > > RALPH: That's only mostly untrue. From Adobe's system requirements page, > it says only that AMD cards don't support GPU acceleration, an unnecessary > function. Past that, you will get more power out of the 7970 as the CUDA > cores are nearly non-existant on the 6xx line, and the compute power on the > 5xx line isn't close to the 7970's. > --------------------------------------------- > > **** > -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --f46d044518191f2df204c3282a47 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not to mention serious issues with ATI / AMD driver compatibility and secur= ity. It is kind of generally known among 3D artists that AMD drivers are no= t very stable or reliable. I know it's why some people insist on quadro= s vs GTX series as well

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On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Jim Tierney <jim@digitalanarchy.com= > wrote:

Actually there was a recent thread that went= over which nvidia card is better, just search for =A0"Benchmarking AE= CUDA". Turns out the 5xx series is probably the better cards, or at l= east, no worse than the 6xx series. Thanks to Teddy Gage for doing that ini= tial testing.

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On the PC, our two top= cards that we test are the 7950 and the 570. It's for testing Beauty B= ox which is all OpenCL, so the CUDA stuff doesn't matter for us. The 79= 50 edges out the 570 in AE, but not by much (and again, we're just test= ing a 2D plugin, not using ray tracing). I assume if you had a 580 or 590 t= hey'd be comparable or faster. In Premiere the 570 smokes the 7950. We = may be using OpenCL but of course Premiere really uses CUDA and it makes a = big difference having the nvidia card.

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Cheers,

Jim<= /span>

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Digital Anarchy<= u>

http://www.digitalanarchy.com=

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From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of scott.aelist Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 11:51 PM
To: After Effects Mai= l List
Subject: [AE] [OT]: Please tell me why not to get a AMD Ra= deon 7970

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= I'm about to purchase a custom-build PC and am trying to decide on a gr= aphics card. I want something that works well for AE and Cinema 4D. It seem= s that both these apps rely primarily on the CPU, and very little on the GP= U. All things being equal, I thought I would go with the Nvidia card becaus= e it supports the CS6 raytracing. But a guy on a forum is -quite- emphatic = that I should get this Radeon card. Can explain to me why he's wrong? <= br>
our conversation went as follows:
----------------------------------= ----------
RALPH: Buddy. The 670 is not a good card for workstations. NV= idia basically crippled the cuda performance on the 6xx line to make it bet= ter for gaming. Get a 7970 instead, it has way more compute power.
ME: I want to go with the Nvidia because Radeon isn't fully support= ed by this program I use (After Effects.) Also, someone pointed out to me t= hat most of my concern should be the wait time on software rendering= , so in my case it's more about the CPU. Anyhow it was helpful to know = about the difference between the GTX 6xx so I'll probably get a 5xx mod= el.

RALPH: That's only mostly untrue. From Adobe's sy= stem requirements page, it says only that AMD cards don't support G= PU acceleration, an unnecessary function. Past that, you will get more powe= r out of the 7970 as the CUDA cores are nearly non-existant on the 6xx line= , and the compute power on the 5xx line isn't close to the 7970's.<= br> ---------------------------------------------




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