We can also count Plexus, Form, and now Pixel Cloud, too. Didn't Zax already say publicly that the next version of Invigorator would import 3D modes too? Rich --- On Fri, 7/6/12, Alex Czetwertynski <alex@disciplefilms.com> wrote: One thing is for sure, in between Element, Atomkraft, Optix, Freeform and who knows what else, the 3d landscape in AE has grown exponentially in the last few months... Interesting to see how things will develop Alex On Jul 6, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Tim Sassoon wrote: Isn't there another well-known AE developer who's been threatening to release a full 3D environment that they've been working on for a couple of years? I say that kind of cagily, knowing full well who it is, but not wanting to "out" them without permission :-)