Return-Path: Received: from nk11p99mm-asmtpout008.mac.com ([17.158.233.229] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4779194 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:04:20 +0200 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4df2/h2zPDd7v6hh9AWJTA)" Received: from [192.168.1.68] ([99.152.153.100]) by nk11p03mm-asmtp998.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M7D001633DGVJ20@nk11p03mm-asmtp998.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 15:08:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-07-18_05:2012-07-18,2012-07-18,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1207180133 From: Jim Curtis Subject: Re: [AE] Realworld CS6 Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 10:08:04 -0500 In-reply-to: To: After Effects Mail List References: Message-id: <3EF1FB3D-D2DC-4509-AF8E-0E3A5F5D032F@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) --Boundary_(ID_4df2/h2zPDd7v6hh9AWJTA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Are you on a Mac? See this thread; 17 pages of tales of woe and misery: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1016670?tstart=3D0 Consider yourself fortunate, if you're on a Mac, and Pr is stable. On Jul 18, 2012, at 10:01 AM, John Morgan wrote: > Jim, > I'm not seeing the Serious Errors you mention. External monitoring via = Matrox MXO2. > John >=20 > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Droid >=20 >=20 > -----Original message----- > From: Jim Curtis > To: After Effects Mail List > Sent: Wed, Jul 18, 2012 14:53:07 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [AE] Realworld CS6 >=20 > I'll third my enthusiasm for Ae CS6. >=20 > But, I'm afraid I can't say the same for Pr. >=20 > There's a Serious Error thread on the Adobe Pr forum, with hundreds of = posts from editors who are reporting that the Serious Errors, followed = by an application exit, come every few seconds, making Pr absolutely = unsuited for professional editing. With that knowledge, whenever I get = one of these - and I've had about three so far - my heart skips a beat. =20= >=20 > Even without the Serious Errors, it's pretty unreliable for = high-pressure work, or for client-in-the-room usage. With external = monitoring on my Kona, it's more often out of sync than in. With or = without the AJA engaged, the audio disappears, turns to noise, or is = choppy. At least 3/4 of the time I hit the spacebar, the audio is MIA = or crap. >=20 > Except for Dynamic Link, and without a CUDA card, there is no = advantage to editing in Pr over FCP or MC, IMO. Not until Adobe gets = the bugs worked out. To be fair, external monitoring does rely on = multiple vendors: AJA, nVidia and Apple. Hard to put the finger on = Adobe for sure, but external monitoring is solid on MC6 and FCP7 and X. >=20 > I was raving about the integration between Ae and Pr a few days ago, = and that still goes. When it works, it's wonderful. But, it doesn't = work all the time. >=20 > Luckily, I haven't had a nail-biting session yet. I'm bidding on a = project for an on-the-road-live-event-on-site-edit, and I'm concerned = that Pr will let me down in a crunch. I'll probably cut on FCP7 = instead. >=20 > I don't think Pr will ever have the responsiveness of FCP or MC, based = on my experience with CS 5, 5.5 and 6. You don't even get a smooth = display of frames when you scrub the CTI on an un-effected clip in the = source player. Avid and Apple have figured this out, but then, they = don't use CUDA. Not sure why CUDA and responsive playback don't seem to = be able to coexist in Pr. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:10 AM, mike cardeiro wrote: >=20 >> I'll second that. Been working in cs6 since my computer died last = month and I've never looked back. The stuff I am rendering today = without issue would have been plagued with out of memory issues on cs3 = (from whence I came). To date I have not had a single memory issue and = the new caching system is awesome. I love when I preview a section and = then render it and rather than rebuilding each frame it just saves out = the render from the cache...brilliant!. >>=20 >> Mike Cardeiro >> Editor/Animator/Compositor =20 >> D4 Creative Group - Philadelphia, PA =20 >> 215-483-4555 =20 >> ------------------------------- >> Resume | samples =20 >> http://www.michaelcardeiro.com/resume/=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: Chris Bobotis >> To: After Effects Mail List =20 >> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:15 PM >> Subject: [AE] Realworld CS6 >>=20 >> To the AE team.... in case I have not said this enough, Bravo! >>=20 >> The new caching is excellent and AE has been rock solid to date. >>=20 >> Been pounding away (real hard) on 6 workstations (combo Mac + WIN) = running a project at 5000 x 1080 @29.97 in 16bpc >>=20 >> A slew of AE + third party effects and an incredible amount of assets = are being handled just beautifully. Renders have been running 24/7 on = these machines and on the render farm. >>=20 >> Again, Bravo! >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Chris >> mettle.com >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the = addressee and may contain information that is privileged and = confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. = If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are = hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution = or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this = communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and = delete this e-mail and any attachments from your system. =AD=AD =20 --Boundary_(ID_4df2/h2zPDd7v6hh9AWJTA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Are you on a Mac?  See this thread; 17 pages = of tales of woe and misery:


Consider = yourself fortunate, if you're on a Mac, and Pr is = stable.



On Jul 18, = 2012, at 10:01 AM, John Morgan wrote:

Jim,
I'm = not seeing the Serious Errors you mention. External monitoring via = Matrox MXO2.
John

Sent from my = Verizon Wireless = Droid


-----Original = message-----
From: Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com>
To: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>=
Sent: Wed, Jul = 18, 2012 14:53:07 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [AE] Realworld = CS6

I'll third my enthusiasm for Ae = CS6.

But, I'm afraid I can't say the same for = Pr.

There's a Serious Error thread on the Adobe Pr = forum, with hundreds of posts from editors who are reporting that the = Serious Errors, followed by an application exit, come every few seconds, = making Pr absolutely unsuited for professional editing.  With that = knowledge, whenever I get one of these - and I've had about three so far = - my heart skips a beat.  

Even without = the Serious Errors, it's pretty unreliable for high-pressure work, or = for client-in-the-room usage.  With external monitoring on my Kona, = it's more often out of sync than in.  With or without the AJA = engaged, the audio disappears, turns to noise, or is choppy.  At = least 3/4 of the time I hit the spacebar, the audio is MIA or = crap.

Except for Dynamic Link, and without a = CUDA card, there is no advantage to editing in Pr over FCP or MC, IMO. =  Not until Adobe gets the bugs worked out.  To be fair, = external monitoring does rely on multiple vendors: AJA, nVidia and = Apple.  Hard to put the finger on Adobe for sure, but external = monitoring is solid on MC6 and FCP7 and X.

I = was raving about the integration between Ae and Pr a few days ago, and = that still goes.  When it works, it's wonderful.  But, it = doesn't work all the time.

Luckily, I haven't = had a nail-biting session yet.  I'm bidding on a project for an = on-the-road-live-event-on-site-edit, and I'm concerned that Pr will let = me down in a crunch.  I'll probably cut on FCP7 = instead.

I don't think Pr will ever have the = responsiveness of FCP or MC, based on my experience with CS 5, 5.5 and = 6.  You don't even get a smooth display of frames when you scrub = the CTI on an un-effected clip in the source player.  Avid and = Apple have figured this out, but then, they don't use CUDA.  Not = sure why CUDA and responsive playback don't seem to be able to coexist = in = Pr.




O= n Jul 16, 2012, at 8:10 AM, mike cardeiro wrote:

I'll second that.  Been working in cs6 since my = computer died last month and I've never looked back.  The stuff I = am rendering today without issue would have been plagued with out of = memory issues on cs3 (from whence I came). To date I have not had a = single memory issue and the new caching system is awesome.  I love = when I preview a section and then render it and rather than rebuilding = each frame it just saves out the render from the = cache...brilliant!.

Mik= e = Cardeiro
Editor/Animator/Compositor      =             
D4 Creative Group - = Philadelphia, PA     
215-483-4555  &= nbsp;           &nb= sp;  
-------------------------= ------
Resume | = samples           &= nbsp;            
http://www.michaelcardeiro.com/resume/ 

From: Chris Bobotis <chris@mettle.com>
To: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> 
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:15 = PM
Subject: [AE] Realworld = CS6

To the AE team.... in case I have not said this = enough, Bravo!

The new caching is excellent and AE has been rock = solid to date.

Been pounding away (real hard) on 6 workstations = (combo Mac + WIN) running a project at 5000 x 1080 @29.97 in = 16bpc

A slew of AE + third party effects and an incredible amount = of assets are being handled just beautifully. Renders have been running = 24/7 on these machines and on the render farm.

Again, = Bravo!

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com
+---End of message---+
To = unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv>


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