Return-Path: Received: from host6.canaca.com ([66.49.160.142] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4779243 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:55:41 +0200 Received: from [74.198.150.210] (helo=[25.65.192.82]) by host6.canaca.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SrWet-00027f-GD for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 18 Jul 2012 11:59:28 -0400 Subject: Re: [AE] Realworld CS6 References: From: Jack Tunnicliffe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-5D0C10CF-456C-42C2-8A7C-F1B2EC7C38DA X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 09:59:21 -0600 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host6.canaca.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - javapost.ca X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail-5D0C10CF-456C-42C2-8A7C-F1B2EC7C38DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks, Jim. My comments were specifically After Effects CS6. We primarily u= s FCP for editing at this time. Jack Tunnicliffe www.javapost.ca www.caffeineproductions.ca Sent from my Apple iPhone On 2012-07-18, at 8:52 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: > I'll third my enthusiasm for Ae CS6. >=20 > But, I'm afraid I can't say the same for Pr. >=20 > There's a Serious Error thread on the Adobe Pr forum, with hundreds of pos= ts from editors who are reporting that the Serious Errors, followed by an ap= plication exit, come every few seconds, making Pr absolutely unsuited for pr= ofessional editing. With that knowledge, whenever I get one of these - and I= 've had about three so far - my heart skips a beat. =20 >=20 > Even without the Serious Errors, it's pretty unreliable for high-pressure w= ork, or for client-in-the-room usage. With external monitoring on my Kona, i= t's more often out of sync than in. With or without the AJA engaged, the au= dio disappears, turns to noise, or is choppy. At least 3/4 of the time I hi= t the spacebar, the audio is MIA or crap. >=20 > Except for Dynamic Link, and without a CUDA card, there is no advantage to= editing in Pr over FCP or MC, IMO. Not until Adobe gets the bugs worked ou= t. To be fair, external monitoring does rely on multiple vendors: AJA, nVid= ia and Apple. Hard to put the finger on Adobe for sure, but external monito= ring is solid on MC6 and FCP7 and X. >=20 > I was raving about the integration between Ae and Pr a few days ago, and t= hat still goes. When it works, it's wonderful. But, it doesn't work all th= e time. >=20 > Luckily, I haven't had a nail-biting session yet. I'm bidding on a projec= t for an on-the-road-live-event-on-site-edit, and I'm concerned that Pr will= let me down in a crunch. I'll probably cut on FCP7 instead. >=20 > I don't think Pr will ever have the responsiveness of FCP or MC, based on m= y experience with CS 5, 5.5 and 6. You don't even get a smooth display of f= rames when you scrub the CTI on an un-effected clip in the source player. A= vid and Apple have figured this out, but then, they don't use CUDA. Not sur= e why CUDA and responsive playback don't seem to be able to coexist in Pr. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:10 AM, mike cardeiro wrote: >=20 >> I'll second that. Been working in cs6 since my computer died last month a= nd I've never looked back. The stuff I am rendering today without issue wou= ld have been plagued with out of memory issues on cs3 (from whence I came). T= o date I have not had a single memory issue and the new caching system is aw= esome. I love when I preview a section and then render it and rather than r= ebuilding each frame it just saves out the render from the cache...brilliant= !. >>=20 >> Mike Cardeiro >> Editor/Animator/Compositor =20 >> D4 Creative Group - Philadelphia, PA =20 >> 215-483-4555 =20 >> ------------------------------- >> Resume | samples =20 >> http://www.michaelcardeiro.com/resume/=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: Chris Bobotis >> To: After Effects Mail List =20 >> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:15 PM >> Subject: [AE] Realworld CS6 >>=20 >> To the AE team.... in case I have not said this enough, Bravo! >>=20 >> The new caching is excellent and AE has been rock solid to date. >>=20 >> Been pounding away (real hard) on 6 workstations (combo Mac + WIN) runnin= g a project at 5000 x 1080 @29.97 in 16bpc >>=20 >> A slew of AE + third party effects and an incredible amount of assets are= being handled just beautifully. Renders have been running 24/7 on these mac= hines and on the render farm. >>=20 >> Again, Bravo! >>=20 >> Cheers, >> Chris >> mettle.com >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-5D0C10CF-456C-42C2-8A7C-F1B2EC7C38DA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Thanks, Jim. My comments w= ere specifically After Effects CS6. We primarily us FCP for editing at this t= ime.

Jack Tunnicliffe

Sent from my Apple iPhone

On 2012-07-18, at 8:52 A= M, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com>= wrote:

I'll third my= enthusiasm for Ae CS6.

But, I'm afraid I can't say the s= ame for Pr.

There's a Serious Error thread on the Adobe P= r forum, with hundreds of posts from editors who are reporting that the Seri= ous Errors, followed by an application exit, come every few seconds, making P= r absolutely unsuited for professional editing.  With that knowledge, w= henever I get one of these - and I've had about three so far - my heart skip= s a beat.  

Even without the Serious Errors, i= t's pretty unreliable for high-pressure work, or for client-in-the-room usag= e.  With external monitoring on my Kona, it's more often out of sync th= an in.  With or without the AJA engaged, the audio disappears, turns to= noise, or is choppy.  At least 3/4 of the time I hit the spacebar, the= audio is MIA or crap.

Except for Dynamic Link, and= without a CUDA card, there is no advantage to editing in Pr over FCP or MC,= IMO.  Not until Adobe gets the bugs worked out.  To be fair, exte= rnal monitoring does rely on multiple vendors: AJA, nVidia and Apple.  = Hard to put the finger on Adobe for sure, but external monitoring is solid o= n MC6 and FCP7 and X.

I was raving about the integr= ation between Ae and Pr a few days ago, and that still goes.  When it w= orks, it's wonderful.  But, it doesn't work all the time.
Luckily, I haven't had a nail-biting session yet.  I'm bidd= ing on a project for an on-the-road-live-event-on-site-edit, and I'm concern= ed that Pr will let me down in a crunch.  I'll probably cut on FCP7 ins= tead.

I don't think Pr will ever have the responsiv= eness of FCP or MC, based on my experience with CS 5, 5.5 and 6.  You d= on't even get a smooth display of frames when you scrub the CTI on an un-eff= ected clip in the source player.  Avid and Apple have figured this out,= but then, they don't use CUDA.  Not sure why CUDA and responsive playb= ack don't seem to be able to coexist in Pr.




On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:10 AM, mike carde= iro wrote:

I'll second t= hat.  Been working in cs6 since my computer died last month and I've ne= ver looked back.  The stuff I am rendering today without issue would ha= ve been plagued with out of memory issues on cs3 (from whence I came). To da= te I have not had a single memory issue and the new caching system is awesom= e.  I love when I preview a section and then render it and rather than r= ebuilding each frame it just saves out the render from the cache...brilliant= !.

Mike Cardeiro
Edito= r/Animator/Compositor         &= nbsp;       
D4 Creative Group - Phil= adelphia, PA    
215-483-4555          = ;      
-------------------------------Resume | samples          = ;            &nb= sp;
http://www.michae= lcardeiro.com/resume/


From:= Chris Bobotis <chris@mett= le.com>
To: Afte= r Effects Mail List <AE-List@m= edia-motion.tv>
Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:15 PM
Subject: [AE] Realworld CS6
To the AE team.... in case I have not said this enough, Bravo!

The ne= w caching is excellent and AE has been rock solid to date.

Been pound= ing away (real hard) on 6 workstations (combo Mac + WIN) running a project a= t 5000 x 1080 @29.97 in 16bpc

A slew of AE + third party effects and a= n incredible amount of assets are being handled just beautifully. Renders ha= ve been running 24/7 on these machines and on the render farm.

Again,= Bravo!

Cheers,
Chris
mettle.com
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