Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4780140 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 22:16:55 +0200 Received: by pbbrp2 with SMTP id rp2so4854462pbb.28 for ; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer; bh=nnjahk1kCEZkqfadogq7EuLgFJHec8+mPk1qzON1Zj8=; b=YGxfa//7kOjD4IbJGnkeLLLbxsCX8ojTt45Dn/ViSF5KNhh88H5aGnIyAtqx01dBc/ 1l05d8aTUVshPIswrZb1ltyqZl9l+w5+7LxCFA5vb6xApAnDMsikWA2XFVugiBbwPJB9 ETokJbrVVf7M0ULzFa54eCVuZe9DFN0UqkO6bTq5NM1eqa37X6jVJ1yZekpx2TRC4LMk 1sdtoBJcQTbKSXURdp5F45xBvi4h13mtAx1rczEXqevTY6ZBUJhjAlTB87mGcnkOiW76 HMS4Yxz71G4rvYqTsrZeRwQ80oR7YrswY3hDn0hHGSCTL/fh4iMWZ1uhhUJ0Qdqpar5A h2pQ== Received: by 10.68.130.67 with SMTP id oc3mr8040597pbb.18.1342729243543; Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.1.21] ([50.0.205.180]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sr8sm2384760pbc.61.2012.07.19.13.20.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:20:42 -0700 (PDT) From: patrick siemer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4--650181055 Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe Cloud vs ordinary CS6 upgrade Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 13:20:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-4--650181055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wow!=20 Dann, I thought adobe was in business to make great software. Call me naive, = but adobe makes amazing product. because they are so good at it, they = make lots of cash too. They don't force or "cram" packages at anyone.=20 what makes you think that? bundles save customers money.=20 I buy those bundles, I save money. what is so bad about that. No one forced me to bundle anything. I also own individual licenses for Multiple copies of ae, ps and ai. Because it made sense, I did not need the bundles. I saved money. what is the problem? -patrick On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Dann Stubbs wrote: > personally i don't benefit from the whole cram everything into one = package mentality that adobe is copying from microsoft. >=20 > it fostered competition in the market when each package stood on it's = own and you could buy another that filled the need better (or not) >=20 > the bundle mentality of an industry giant does nothing but crowd out = most small developers who just can't compete when everyone who needs the = industry standard "photoshop" gets a bunch of other stuff included for = "free" already. it's hard to compete with something that is essentially = "free" and everyone has already. >=20 > let's be real - adobe is a business... they are only in business to = make money - like most. i don't see the prices getting any less = expensive because they have the users best interest at heart. those = executive bonus' don't pay for themselves you know... >=20 > i do see the benefit of small or home users now being able to "afford" = the subscription as a benefit - but it was not done out of generosity - = it was done to gain entry/grow market share in a new demographic. = nothing altruistic about it. >=20 > once the bean counters run the numbers on the projected revenue stream = - the price will go up. >=20 > a handful of years ago parking at disney was free, then a few dollars, = now it's like what $14 per car? to sit in their lot while you pay = another $100 per ticket to get in! this is adobe's parking lot fee... >=20 > the new business mentality is everything is a revenue stream. the = subscription model will become no different... to act like it's not is = kinda silly. > ___________________________________________________________________ >=20 > Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com > Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >=20 > http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm > ___________________________________________________________________ >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote: >=20 >> Wow. I try not to take things like this personally but... Is there = anything that we could do to prevent you from assuming the worst when = we're trying to create options that you'll actually benefit from? >>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On >>> Behalf Of Dann Stubbs >>>=20 >>> ding, ding, ding >>>=20 >>> give that man a prize >>>=20 >>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>=20 >>> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >>> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >>>=20 >>> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm >>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Mike Abbott wrote: >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> $599 per year for subscription version.. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I wonder how long it will take for Adobe to start ramping up the >>> annual >>>> subscription cost - once we're all hooked ;) >>=20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail-4--650181055 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Dann,
They don't force or "cram" packages at = anyone. 
what makes you think that? bundles save customers = money. 
I buy those bundles, I save money.
what is so bad about that. No one = forced me to bundle anything.
I also own individual licenses for = Multiple copies of ae, ps and ai.
Because it made sense, I did not = need the bundles.
I saved money.
what is the = problem?
-patrick


On Jul 19, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Dann Stubbs = wrote:

personally i don't benefit from the whole cram = everything into one package mentality that adobe is copying from = microsoft.

it fostered competition in the market when each = package stood on it's own and you could buy another that filled the need = better (or not)

the bundle mentality of an industry giant does = nothing but crowd out most small developers who just can't compete when = everyone who needs the industry standard "photoshop" gets a bunch of = other stuff included for "free" already. it's hard to compete with = something that is essentially "free" and everyone has = already.

let's be real - adobe is a business... they are only in = business to make money - like most. i don't see the prices getting any = less expensive because they have the users best interest at heart. those = executive bonus' don't pay for themselves you know...

i do see = the benefit of small or home users now being able to "afford" the = subscription as a benefit - but it was not done out of generosity - it = was done to gain entry/grow market share in a new demographic. nothing = altruistic about it.

once the bean counters run the numbers on = the projected revenue stream - the price will go up.

a handful of = years ago parking at disney was free, then a few dollars, now it's like = what $14 per car? to sit in their lot while you pay another $100 per = ticket to get in! this is adobe's parking lot fee...

the new = business mentality is everything is a revenue stream. the subscription = model will become no different... to act like it's not is kinda = silly.
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Dann Stubbs  -  dann@darkskydigital.com
Dar= k Sky Digital -  http://www.darkskydigital.com
http://www.RenderKing.com =  Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render = Farm
__________________________________________________________________= _



On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Todd Kopriva = wrote:

Wow. I try not to take things = like this personally but... Is there anything that we could do to = prevent you from assuming the worst when we're trying to create options = that you'll actually benefit from?

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ding, ding, = ding

give that man a = prize

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http://www.RenderKing.com =  Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render = Farm
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On Jul 19, 2012, at 3:24 PM, = Mike Abbott wrote:



$599 = per year for subscription = version..


I = wonder how long it will take for Adobe to start ramping up = the
annual
subscription cost - once we're all hooked = ;)


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