Return-Path: Received: from [69.56.148.24] (HELO gateway15.websitewelcome.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4781261 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:13:12 +0200 Received: by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 528E6BE58DDC6; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alpina.websitewelcome.com (alpina.websitewelcome.com [74.54.176.2]) by gateway15.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46585BE58DDA6 for ; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:17:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [199.21.106.94] (port=62999 helo=[192.168.0.15]) by alpina.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SsHl9-0005yn-KL for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:17:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [AE] Photoshop CS6 Issues References: From: Chris Meyer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-F8D519DE-4D0F-41C4-B8F6-7CFC010D5DEC X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 12:17:07 -0600 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alpina.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.0.15]) [199.21.106.94]:62999 X-Source-Auth: chris@crishdesign.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7YWxwaW5hLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== --Apple-Mail-F8D519DE-4D0F-41C4-B8F6-7CFC010D5DEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think you might be fooling yourself. I think AE and PR only care about the= number of pixels. The way you happened to scale the image - lowering the DP= I setting, with resampling on - happens to lower the number of pixels. I bet= if you took the same image, and changed the DPI setting with resampling OFF= (thereby NOT changing the number of pixels), that you would see no changes i= n AE or PR. DPI may be a red herring for you. Or I may be wrong; I haven't re-tested this in years. - Chris On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: > Yes, as does Pr and Ae. It's called "Resolution" in Photoshop. It's inte= rtwined with Height and Width. If you change one in the Image Size dialog, t= he other two change along with it, if Constrain Proportions is checked. >=20 > Just two days ago, I got some stills that were scanned at 1200 DPI. They b= ogged down Pr horribly. I was having to scale them to 10% to get them to fi= ll the frame. So, I resized them in Ps, taking the Resolution (DPI) down to= 300, and that brought the Width and Height parameters down with it. Then P= r handled them with aplomb, speedy, and with more workable scale sizes, in t= he 50-70% range, with resolution left to do panning and zooming. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Benny Christensen wrote: >=20 >> You need to make sure that the DPI is not too high that they are RGB colo= r space. FCP will definitely crash using CMYK files. >>=20 >> I usually resize every thing to 150DPI and no larger than 3000 pixels wid= e for normal shots or 3000 pixels tall for vertical shots. >>=20 >> I know that FCP is supposed to handle larger files, but this has been saf= e for me. >>=20 >> Benny Christensen >> Producers Playhouse >> Oklahoma City >> 405-858-0700 >>=20 >> "I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people a= ppreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of an= y artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did'." - Kurt Vonnegut (= Timequake) >>=20 >> On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>=20 >>> Perhaps I should elaborate. I've been tasked to do a couple of "slide s= how" projects (Yikes!). Whenever I brought a bunch of JPEGs in and tried to= do Motion moves, and dissolves between them, FCP crashed regularly. When I= brought the same stills into Pr, I had no crashes. =20 >>>=20 >>> And on other projects, where I only had occasional stills, I'd still get= crashes from the JPEGs, but not after I converted them to TIF. >>>=20 >>> That's just been my experience. Maybe it's a codec thing. I think I'm t= he Pig Pen of finding things that crash Mac apps. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:51 AM, James Culbertson wrote: >>>=20 >>>> FCP 7.03? JPEGs and PNGs work just fine in my experience. I'm working o= n a feature length doc that I inherited for finishing tasks that is a smorga= sbord of formats - in addition to JPEGs, and PNGs, there are also BMPs, Tiff= s, and PSD. No problems whatsoever. What I would avoid are PDFs. >>>>=20 >>>> If I were to choose I would stick with TIFF and JPEG, and use PSD when n= ecessary. >>>>=20 >>>> James >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> I've had bad luck with most still formats in FCP. It's pretty hostile= to JPEGs and PNGs, IME. =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Try TIF or TGA, which also support an alpha channel. TIF is what I us= e (when I have to.) =20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Pr is a LOT better at handling stills, except really large ones. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Benny Christensen wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> That has been my workaround, but it is annoying because I don't like t= o use PSDs in FCP. I usually like a flattened file for titles. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Benny Christensen >>>>>> Producers Playhouse >>>>>> Oklahoma City >>>>>> 405-858-0700 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> "To be is to do"--Socrates >>>>>> "To do is to be"--Jean-Paul Sartre >>>>>> "Do be do be do"--Frank Sinatra >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Glen Tubbesing wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> You might try using Photoshop's native PSD format, instead. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2012 6:38 AM, "Benny Christensen" wrote: >>>>>>> I know this isn't the Photoshop list, but since it is pretty integra= l to our workflow here goes. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I am having a couple of issues lately. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 1) PNGs are not acting the same way they used to. I can't get the em= pty spaces to read as alpha holes in FCP. Is there a better format to use si= nce PICT files are no longer an option. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 2) Sometimes the program simply will not let me Save a file. The Sav= e window pops up, but the buttons are not colored and won't react. In fact, a= t that point the program is completely locked up and I have to Force Quit. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Has anyone else seen these problems? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Benny Christensen >>>>>>> Producers Playhouse >>>>>>> Oklahoma City >>>>>>> 405-858-0700 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick them= selves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Sir Winston Churchil= l >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-F8D519DE-4D0F-41C4-B8F6-7CFC010D5DEC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I think you might be fooli= ng yourself. I think AE and PR only care about the number of pixels. The way= you happened to scale the image - lowering the DPI setting, with resampling= on - happens to lower the number of pixels. I bet if you took the same imag= e, and changed the DPI setting with resampling OFF (thereby NOT changing the= number of pixels), that you would see no changes in AE or PR. DPI may be a r= ed herring for you.

Or I may be wrong; I haven't re= -tested this in years.

 - Chris



On Jul 20, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:

Yes, as does Pr and Ae.  It's called "Resolut= ion" in Photoshop.  It's intertwined with Height and Width.  If yo= u change one in the Image Size dialog, the other two change along with it, i= f Constrain Proportions is checked.

Just two days ago, I g= ot some stills that were scanned at 1200 DPI.  They bogged down Pr horr= ibly.  I was having to scale them to 10% to get them to fill the frame.=  So, I resized them in Ps, taking the Resolution (DPI) down to 300, an= d that brought the Width and Height parameters down with it.  Then Pr h= andled them with aplomb, speedy, and with more workable scale sizes, in the 5= 0-70% range, with resolution left to do panning and zooming.



On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Benny Chr= istensen wrote:

You need to make sure that the DPI is= not too high that they are RGB color space. FCP will definitely crash using= CMYK files.

I usu= ally resize every thing to 150DPI and no larger than 3000 pixels wide for no= rmal shots or 3000 pixels tall for vertical shots.

= I know that FCP is supposed to handle larger files, but this has been safe f= or me.

Benny Christensen
Pr= oducers Playhouse
Oklahoma City
405-858-0700
=

<= div>"I say in speeches that a plausible mission of artists is to make people= appreciate being alive at least a little bit. I am then asked if I know of a= ny artists who pulled that off. I reply, 'The Beatles did'." - Kurt Von= negut (Timequake)

On Jul 20, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:

Perhaps I should elaborate.  I've been tasked to do a couple o= f "slide show" projects (Yikes!).  Whenever I brought a bunch of JPEGs i= n and tried to do Motion moves, and dissolves between them, FCP crashed regu= larly.  When I brought the same stills into Pr, I had no crashes.  = ;

And on other projects, where I only had occasional stil= ls, I'd still get crashes from the JPEGs, but not after I converted them to T= IF.

That's just been my experience.  Maybe it'= s a codec thing.  I think I'm the Pig Pen of finding things that crash M= ac apps.



On Jul 20, 2012, at= 11:51 AM, James Culbertson wrote:

FCP 7.03? &nb= sp;JPEGs and PNGs work just fine in my experience. I'm working on a feature l= ength doc that I inherited for finishing tasks that is a smorgasbord of form= ats - in addition to JPEGs, and PNGs, there are also BMPs, Tiffs,  and P= SD. No problems whatsoever. What I would avoid are PDFs.

If I were to choose I would stick with TIFF and JPEG, and use PSD when= necessary.

James


On Jul 20, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Jim Curtis wrote:

I've h= ad bad luck with most still formats in FCP.  It's pretty hostile to JPE= Gs and PNGs, IME.  

Try TIF or TGA, which also suppo= rt an alpha channel.  TIF is what I use (when I have to.)  
<= div>
Pr is a LOT better at handling stills, except really larg= e ones.


On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Benny Christ= ensen wrote:

That has been my workaround, but it is an= noying because I don't like to use PSDs in FCP. I usually like a flattened f= ile for titles.

Thanks.

Benny Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Okla= homa City
405-858-0700

"To be is to do"--Socrates"To do is to be"--Jean-Paul Sartre
"Do be do be do"--Frank Sinatra







On Jul 20, 2012, at 8:52 AM, Glen Tubbesing wrote:

You might try= using Photoshop's native PSD format, instead.

On Jul 20, 2012 6:38 AM, "Benny Christensen" <= bennychristensen@me.com> w= rote:
I know this isn't the Photoshop list, but since it is pretty integral to our= workflow here goes.

I am having a couple of issues lately.

1) PNGs are not acting the same way they used to. I can't get the empty spac= es to read as alpha holes in FCP. Is there a better format to use since PICT= files are no longer an option.

2) Sometimes the program simply will not let me Save a file. The Save window= pops up, but the buttons are not colored and won't react. In fact, at that p= oint the program is completely locked up and I have to Force Quit.

Has anyone else seen these problems?

Thanks in advance.

Benny Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma City
405-858-0700

"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves u= p and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." - Sir Winston Churchill






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