Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4790995 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 11:20:11 +0200 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120730092421.URWQ12025.mta21.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:24:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.14] ([71.94.133.66]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id gZQL1j00E1S6qBK05ZQLDb; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 05:24:21 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:17 a=HTVtGTxIAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=4u9HZlDaUWXxp3qgRs4A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=naD9dnBiXzUA:10 a=RFaxJ1YKWH0A:10 a=p3b_eOXHgIUA:10 a=36NbPPPybnEA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=XJT-FVBIiZ94FPEdwBsA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=whzTWg-lIIwA:10 a=O7EI37bCG9MA:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:117 From: Jonathan Penzner Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-260840175 Subject: Re: [AE] DVD Question Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 02:24:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <376ED8DB-F1C7-41AA-8658-75202035BDD0@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-10-260840175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Jeez, Mike, I don't doubt that the MPEG 1 looked better than VHS but = that's not saying much! :) Thanks for the info, though. I hadn't thought about MPEG 1 and I want to = give the client every possible option and let them decide. Maybe I'll = give them VHS as an option! All your replies, guys, are much appreciated. Especially at this hour of = the morning. (Almost 230a in LA.) Jonathan On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Michael Hazarian wrote: > I once squeezed nearly ten hours of video onto a single sided (4.7GB) = DVD. A little known fact is that mpeg1 is a valid format for DVDs. I had = 8 lectures that were being distributed by video tape. Moving to mpeg1 on = DVD saved a bunch when compared to duplicating and distributing eight = different titles on vhs. >=20 > And the mpeg1 looked better than the vhs! >=20 > Mike Hazarian >=20 >=20 > On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Greg Balint wrote: >=20 >> My wife had to take a driver's course after getting a speeding ticket = to lower her fines. They allow you to rent a DVD course from = Blockbuster or the like, and watch it at home and take a test on the = content online..=20 >>=20 >> The course was 8 hours, and it was all on 1 DVD.. it was 4:3 SD = computer animated stuff, with text screen graphics and character = animation and stuff.. I was quite surprised while watching it, how clean = the footage was.. and we were watching it on our 130" front projection = screen TV.. =20 >>=20 >> Once i checked the disc, I realized why it looked fine and held so = much data. The disc was dual-sided dual-layered, which can hold up to = 17.4GB of data..=20 >>=20 >> a DVD-9 (Dual Layer 8.5GB) should hold 240 minutes at a normal = compression rate, so maybe just bump the compression down a little bit = to get the VOBs to fit within around 8GB ? >>=20 >> You would only have to worry about read issues with archaic DVD = players .. and when I say that, I mean, as far as I know, most movies = that have been released on DVD since 1999 or 2000 are Dual Layer -R. >>=20 >> Just make sure you use -R.. not +R.. or any form of R/W.. for some = reason the + discs tend not to work in about half of the players out = there.. especially the cheaper ones. and they seem to be more finicky = about burning properly.. at least in my experiences.. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ///Greg Balint >> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >> /321.514.4839 >> delRAZOR.com/=20 >> On 7/30/2012 3:38 AM, Jonathan Penzner wrote: >>> Good day to everyone. >>>=20 >>> A client wants to jam around 250 minutes of video into a standard = DVD. Is that even possible or will the result just look like such crap = that it becomes pointless? It's a combination of of footage, graphics = and audio =96 VO over a bed, in most cases. Just wondering what the = accepted wisdom is here. Perhaps a dual layered DVD is the answer. But = will that play in standard players? >>>=20 >>> Thanks in advance. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Jonathan >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> JONATHAN PENZNER >>> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >>> VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >>>=20 >>> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >>> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>>=20 >>> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 JONATHAN PENZNER SUNDANCE/REALTIME VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | | CELL 818 321-2890 | SUREAL@CHARTER.NET --Apple-Mail-10-260840175 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
I once squeezed nearly = ten hours of video onto a single sided (4.7GB) DVD. A little known fact = is that mpeg1 is a valid format for DVDs. I had 8 lectures that were = being distributed by video tape. Moving to mpeg1 on DVD saved a bunch = when compared to duplicating and distributing eight different titles on = vhs.

And the mpeg1 looked better than the = vhs!

Mike = Hazarian


On Jul 30, 2012, at = 12:59 AM, Greg Balint wrote:

=20 =20
My wife had to take a driver's course after getting a speeding ticket to lower her fines.  They = allow you to rent a DVD course from Blockbuster or the like, and watch it at home and take a test on the content online..

The course was 8 hours, and it was all on 1 DVD..  it was 4:3 = SD computer animated stuff, with text screen graphics and character animation and stuff.. I was quite surprised while watching it, how clean the footage was.. and we were watching it on our 130" front projection screen TV.. 

Once i checked the disc, I realized why it looked fine and held so much data.  The disc was dual-sided dual-layered, which can = hold up to 17.4GB of data..

a DVD-9 (Dual Layer 8.5GB) should hold 240 minutes at a normal compression rate, so maybe just bump the compression down a little bit to get the VOBs to fit within around 8GB ?

You would only have to worry about read issues with archaic DVD players .. and when I say that, I mean, as far as I know, most movies that have been  released on DVD since 1999 or = 2000  are Dual Layer -R.

Just make sure you use -R.. not +R.. or any form of = R/W..   for some reason the + discs tend not to work in about half of the players out there.. especially the cheaper ones. and they seem to be more finicky about burning properly.. at least in my experiences..



///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
On 7/30/2012 3:38 AM, Jonathan Penzner wrote:
Good day to everyone.

A client wants to jam around 250 minutes of video into a standard DVD. Is that even possible or will the result just look like such crap that it becomes pointless? It's a combination of of footage, graphics and audio =96 VO over a bed, in most cases. Just wondering what the accepted wisdom is here. Perhaps a dual layered DVD is the answer. But will that play in standard players?

Thanks in advance.


Jonathan



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