Return-Path: Received: from rxpro.com ([192.220.73.134] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4791226 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:38:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 26853 invoked by uid 18822); 30 Jul 2012 15:42:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.1.128]) (mhlists@[50.0.37.221]) (envelope-sender ) by 192.220.73.134 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 30 Jul 2012 15:42:58 -0000 Subject: Re: [AE] DVD Question References: From: Michael Hazarian Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-283558097 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <98859ED8-150B-40B2-93B5-336B0B18DA2E@rxpro.com> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:42:58 -0700 To: "After Effects Mail List" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-2-283558097 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Yea, 250 minutes should be doable with mpeg2, particularly if there is a = good amount of synthetic footage. I was just providing a bit of an = aside. Mike Hazarian On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:24 AM, Jonathan Penzner wrote: > Jeez, Mike, I don't doubt that the MPEG 1 looked better than VHS but = that's not saying much! :) >=20 > Thanks for the info, though. I hadn't thought about MPEG 1 and I want = to give the client every possible option and let them decide. Maybe I'll = give them VHS as an option! >=20 > All your replies, guys, are much appreciated. Especially at this hour = of the morning. (Almost 230a in LA.) >=20 >=20 > Jonathan >=20 >=20 > On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Michael Hazarian wrote: >=20 >> I once squeezed nearly ten hours of video onto a single sided (4.7GB) = DVD. A little known fact is that mpeg1 is a valid format for DVDs. I had = 8 lectures that were being distributed by video tape. Moving to mpeg1 on = DVD saved a bunch when compared to duplicating and distributing eight = different titles on vhs. >>=20 >> And the mpeg1 looked better than the vhs! >>=20 >> Mike Hazarian >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Greg Balint wrote: >>=20 >>> My wife had to take a driver's course after getting a speeding = ticket to lower her fines. They allow you to rent a DVD course from = Blockbuster or the like, and watch it at home and take a test on the = content online..=20 >>>=20 >>> The course was 8 hours, and it was all on 1 DVD.. it was 4:3 SD = computer animated stuff, with text screen graphics and character = animation and stuff.. I was quite surprised while watching it, how clean = the footage was.. and we were watching it on our 130" front projection = screen TV.. =20 >>>=20 >>> Once i checked the disc, I realized why it looked fine and held so = much data. The disc was dual-sided dual-layered, which can hold up to = 17.4GB of data..=20 >>>=20 >>> a DVD-9 (Dual Layer 8.5GB) should hold 240 minutes at a normal = compression rate, so maybe just bump the compression down a little bit = to get the VOBs to fit within around 8GB ? >>>=20 >>> You would only have to worry about read issues with archaic DVD = players .. and when I say that, I mean, as far as I know, most movies = that have been released on DVD since 1999 or 2000 are Dual Layer -R. >>>=20 >>> Just make sure you use -R.. not +R.. or any form of R/W.. for some = reason the + discs tend not to work in about half of the players out = there.. especially the cheaper ones. and they seem to be more finicky = about burning properly.. at least in my experiences.. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> ///Greg Balint >>> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> /321.514.4839 >>> delRAZOR.com/=20 >>> On 7/30/2012 3:38 AM, Jonathan Penzner wrote: >>>> Good day to everyone. >>>>=20 >>>> A client wants to jam around 250 minutes of video into a standard = DVD. Is that even possible or will the result just look like such crap = that it becomes pointless? It's a combination of of footage, graphics = and audio =96 VO over a bed, in most cases. Just wondering what the = accepted wisdom is here. Perhaps a dual layered DVD is the answer. But = will that play in standard players? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Jonathan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> JONATHAN PENZNER >>>> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >>>> VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >>>>=20 >>>> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >>>> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>>>=20 >>>> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > JONATHAN PENZNER > SUNDANCE/REALTIME > VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >=20 > | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | > | CELL 818 321-2890 | >=20 > SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >=20 --Apple-Mail-2-283558097 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Yea, = 250 minutes should be doable with mpeg2, particularly if there is a good = amount of synthetic footage. I was just providing a bit of an = aside.

Mike = Hazarian


On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:24 = AM, Jonathan Penzner wrote:

Jeez, Mike, I don't doubt = that the MPEG 1 looked better than VHS but that's not saying much! = :)

Thanks for the info, though. I hadn't = thought about MPEG 1 and I want to give the client every possible option = and let them decide. Maybe I'll give them VHS as an = option!

All your replies, guys, are much = appreciated. Especially at this hour of the morning. (Almost 230a in = LA.)


Jonathan

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On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Michael Hazarian = wrote:

I once squeezed nearly = ten hours of video onto a single sided (4.7GB) DVD. A little known fact = is that mpeg1 is a valid format for DVDs. I had 8 lectures that were = being distributed by video tape. Moving to mpeg1 on DVD saved a bunch = when compared to duplicating and distributing eight different titles on = vhs.

And the mpeg1 looked better than the = vhs!

Mike = Hazarian


On Jul 30, 2012, at = 12:59 AM, Greg Balint wrote:

=20 =20
My wife had to take a driver's course after getting a speeding ticket to lower her fines.  They = allow you to rent a DVD course from Blockbuster or the like, and watch it at home and take a test on the content online..

The course was 8 hours, and it was all on 1 DVD..  it was 4:3 = SD computer animated stuff, with text screen graphics and character animation and stuff.. I was quite surprised while watching it, how clean the footage was.. and we were watching it on our 130" front projection screen TV.. 

Once i checked the disc, I realized why it looked fine and held so much data.  The disc was dual-sided dual-layered, which can = hold up to 17.4GB of data..

a DVD-9 (Dual Layer 8.5GB) should hold 240 minutes at a normal compression rate, so maybe just bump the compression down a little bit to get the VOBs to fit within around 8GB ?

You would only have to worry about read issues with archaic DVD players .. and when I say that, I mean, as far as I know, most movies that have been  released on DVD since 1999 or = 2000  are Dual Layer -R.

Just make sure you use -R.. not +R.. or any form of = R/W..   for some reason the + discs tend not to work in about half of the players out there.. especially the cheaper ones. and they seem to be more finicky about burning properly.. at least in my experiences..



///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
On 7/30/2012 3:38 AM, Jonathan Penzner wrote:
Good day to everyone.

A client wants to jam around 250 minutes of video into a standard DVD. Is that even possible or will the result just look like such crap that it becomes pointless? It's a combination of of footage, graphics and audio =96 VO over a bed, in most cases. Just wondering what the accepted wisdom is here. Perhaps a dual layered DVD is the answer. But will that play in standard players?

Thanks in advance.


Jonathan



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