Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4791734 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 23:13:21 +0200 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120730211732.JQXL12025.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:17:32 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.14] ([71.94.133.66]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id glHX1j00H1S6qBK05lHXDL; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:17:32 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8n69asTuZbMnXn9oCQM8qmqRc2QTO8vVbX5gOB99VVA= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=FfrPoIneiuiZ2nNqqGEA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=RFaxJ1YKWH0A:10 a=p3b_eOXHgIUA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=KAaMWWJgV7XWd0iCY8IA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:117 From: Jonathan Penzner Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-303631488 Subject: Re: [AE] DVD Question Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 14:17:31 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <32AE552B-65B0-48F2-8294-EABA3F5EAAFD@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-2-303631488 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 So, Warren, this DVD is going to be replicated =96 how big the run is I have no idea = but it should be fairly big. What's the best way to send to the = replicating company, which, by the way is in China and I have no way of = getting in touch with them directly? In the past I've pressed a DVD with = Compressor at best quality to create the M2Vs, authored in DVDSP, and = burned the disks in Toast, then sent it off. Is there a better way? Thanks, Jonathan On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:02 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu wrote: >=20 > To flush this one out a little bit... >=20 > A DVD-Video disc is replicated (literally stamped from a glass master = or gold disc master in a dust free environment). Every copy is the same = as the original. Also, it's assumed that the data structure is = compliant with DVD-Video specifications. Usually, the minimum run is = 2,000 discs. There's always an "overun", so you get more than 2,000. >=20 > However, you can build the DVD-Video data structure (the VIDEO_TS = folder) without going to replication. To play this in a DVD-Video = player or Blu-Ray player, you would typically burn the VIDEO_TS data to = a DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD_R DL, etc. As long as the player can read the media = you've used, the content should play as expected. These are "burned' or = "one offs'. In a computer, this can play directly from a hard drive. >=20 > Apple Compressor has great MPEG2 settings as long as you use the ones = that have "best" in the name. Some encode MPEG2 in DVD Studio Pro which = ironically does not have a preset that favors image quality. >=20 > And... if you care about image quality, 150 minutes is the most you = can cram onto one layer (a DVD5 if you're replicating). >=20 > Fun stuff, no? >=20 >=20 >=20 > -Warren >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Quoting Jonathan Penzner : >=20 >> Can you explain what a stamped disk is or give me a resource to look = up, Steve? >>=20 >> And are you familiar with the plug-in Andrius mentions =96 the = Cinemacraft CCE-MP? Other than hardware encoders, would this plug and = Adobe compressor rank highest? >>=20 >> Many thanks, >>=20 >>=20 >> Jonathan >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: >>=20 >>> well the apple Mpeg2 codec won't do the the job unless its pretty = much mostly stills. adobe's mpeg2 compressor should do better, as well = as some others. it really depends on the motion and content as to what = you'll get. a 10 minute long test of actual program should give you a = good idea of if it will work... and for compatibility stamped discs are = the way to go. it never fails that if I have a problem, its always a = sony DVD player... >>>=20 >>> S >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Andrius Simutis wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> For 250 minutes on a DVD9 your bit rate would be 4.1mbps for the = video assuming you're using .ac3 for the audio. >>>>> That's pretty low for compressor even running VBR with a wide = range, so you might want to run some test clips to make sure that what = you're getting looks decent enough for the client. >>>>> If you want to get the most out of Compressor (and you're doing = this often enough to justify spending $800) I'd recommend the = Cinemacraft CCE-MP plug in. It does a really nice job at the lower bit = rates where Compressor often falls down. >>>>> -Andrius Simutis >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Michael Hazarian wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> Yea, 250 minutes should be doable with mpeg2, particularly if = there is a good amount of synthetic footage. I was just providing a bit = of an aside. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Mike Hazarian >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >> JONATHAN PENZNER >> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >> VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >>=20 >> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>=20 >> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to JONATHAN PENZNER SUNDANCE/REALTIME VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | | CELL 818 321-2890 | SUREAL@CHARTER.NET --Apple-Mail-2-303631488 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 wheaton@ucla.edu = wrote:

To flush this one out a little bit...

A = DVD-Video disc is replicated (literally stamped from a glass master or = gold disc master in a dust free environment).  Every copy is the = same as the original.  Also, it's assumed that the data structure = is compliant with DVD-Video specifications.  Usually, the minimum = run is 2,000 discs.  There's always an "overun", so you get more = than 2,000.

However, you can build the DVD-Video data structure = (the VIDEO_TS folder) without going to replication.  To play this = in a DVD-Video player or Blu-Ray player, you would typically burn the = VIDEO_TS data to a DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD_R DL, etc.  As long as the = player can read the media you've used, the content should play as = expected.  These are "burned' or "one offs'.  In a computer, = this can play directly from a hard drive.

Apple Compressor has = great MPEG2 settings as long as you use the ones that have "best" in the = name.  Some encode MPEG2 in DVD Studio Pro which ironically does = not have a preset that favors image quality.

And... if you care = about image quality, 150 minutes is the most you can cram onto one layer = (a DVD5 if you're replicating).

Fun stuff, = no?



-Warren










Quot= ing Jonathan Penzner <sureal@charter.net>:

Can you explain what a stamped disk is or give me = a resource to look up, Steve?

And are you = familiar with the plug-in Andrius mentions =96 the Cinemacraft CCE-MP? = Other than hardware encoders, would this plug and Adobe compressor rank = highest?

Many = thanks,


Jonathan


On Jul 30, = 2012, at 1:13 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:

well the apple Mpeg2 codec won't do the the job unless its = pretty much mostly stills. adobe's mpeg2 compressor should do better, as = well as some others. it really depends on the motion and content as to = what you'll get. a 10 minute long test of actual program should give you = a good idea of if it will work... and for compatibility stamped discs = are the way to go. it never fails that if I have a problem, its always a = sony DVD player...

S


On Jul = 30, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Andrius Simutis = wrote:

For 250 minutes on a DVD9 your = bit rate would be 4.1mbps for the video assuming you're using .ac3 for = the = audio.
That's pretty low for compressor = even running VBR with a wide range, so you might want to run some test = clips to make sure that what you're getting looks decent enough for the = client.
If you want to get the most out = of Compressor (and you're doing this often enough to justify spending = $800) I'd recommend the Cinemacraft CCE-MP plug in. It does a really = nice job at the lower bit rates where Compressor often falls = down.
-Andrius = Simutis

On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:42 AM, = Michael Hazarian = wrote:

Yea, = 250 minutes should be doable with mpeg2, particularly if there is a good = amount of synthetic footage. I was just providing a bit of an = aside.

Mike = Hazarian


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