Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4791839 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 01:07:27 +0200 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120730231138.NZFS24708.mta31.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:11:38 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.14] ([71.94.133.66]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id gnBd1j00F1S6qBK05nBd6H; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:11:38 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:17 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=0VTyYuIk-tywUOV-ncsA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=RFaxJ1YKWH0A:10 a=p3b_eOXHgIUA:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=KAaMWWJgV7XWd0iCY8IA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:117 From: Jonathan Penzner Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-310476999 Subject: Re: [AE] DVD Question Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 16:11:36 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <5F8C6E65-E9D0-4AE9-B924-F6B48C16ACD5@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-7-310476999 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 ISO disk image sounds like an excellent idea. Thanks again. Jonathan On Jul 30, 2012, at 3:30 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: > right... when stamping discs they always seem to have an over run... = to which I'd simply say, my deal is X pieces. your computer controlled = machine makes exactly what you tell them to. I'll take delivery of X and = pay for that and you have to destroy the over run. thats your mistake = and your problem. >=20 > as for getting your image there, I'd recommend creating an ISO disc = image on a USB drive and sending that. DVD-R media tends to have errors = even if it has 100% confirmation >=20 > S >=20 > On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Andrius Simutis = wrote: >=20 >> Most DVD replication plants will run a minimum of 1,000 DVD or BluRay = these days. Some of the really big places won't, but it's a common job = for the smaller ones. I do it all the time, and sometimes we'll even do = an order for 500 but that's actually leaving half the 1,000 run of discs = on a spindle and charging the client for the whole 1,000 less packaging = and assembly. That still comes out cheaper than duplicating 500 discs in = a duplicator tower and the client has the option of using the unpackaged = ones later or handing them out as promotional copies. The overages = aren't usually on the disc side, but on the printer who makes the = covers. Those guys do a standard 10% overrun on everything no matter how = much you beg them not to. Then most DVD factories just make some extra = discs to fill the packages.=20 >> I don't think I've ever seen the word "great" in the same sentence as = Compressor and MPEG2 before. Of course it's all subjective, but in my = opinion at a high enough bit rate Compressor's MPEG2 encodes are = passable, but lower that rate and the macro blocks start to show up = fairly quickly. I think you'd really see it in this encode at 4.1mbps. >>=20 >> On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:02 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> To flush this one out a little bit... >>>=20 >>> A DVD-Video disc is replicated (literally stamped from a glass = master or gold disc master in a dust free environment). Every copy is = the same as the original. Also, it's assumed that the data structure is = compliant with DVD-Video specifications. Usually, the minimum run is = 2,000 discs. There's always an "overun", so you get more than 2,000. >>>=20 >>> However, you can build the DVD-Video data structure (the VIDEO_TS = folder) without going to replication. To play this in a DVD-Video = player or Blu-Ray player, you would typically burn the VIDEO_TS data to = a DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD_R DL, etc. As long as the player can read the media = you've used, the content should play as expected. These are "burned' or = "one offs'. In a computer, this can play directly from a hard drive. >>>=20 >>> Apple Compressor has great MPEG2 settings as long as you use the = ones that have "best" in the name. Some encode MPEG2 in DVD Studio Pro = which ironically does not have a preset that favors image quality. >>>=20 >>> And... if you care about image quality, 150 minutes is the most you = can cram onto one layer (a DVD5 if you're replicating). >>>=20 >>> Fun stuff, no? >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to JONATHAN PENZNER SUNDANCE/REALTIME VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | | CELL 818 321-2890 | SUREAL@CHARTER.NET --Apple-Mail-7-310476999 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
right... when stamping discs they always seem to have = an over run... to which I'd simply say, my deal is X pieces. your = computer controlled machine makes exactly what you tell them to. I'll = take delivery of X and pay for that and you have to destroy the over = run. thats your mistake and your problem.

as for getting your = image there, I'd recommend creating an ISO disc image on a USB drive and = sending that. DVD-R media tends to have errors even if it has 100% = confirmation

S

On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Andrius = Simutis <SeattleDVD@Comcast.net> = wrote:

Most DVD replication plants will = run a minimum of 1,000 DVD or BluRay these days. Some of the really big = places won't, but it's a common job for the smaller ones. I do it all = the time, and sometimes we'll even do an order for 500 but that's = actually leaving half the 1,000 run of discs on a spindle and charging = the client for the whole 1,000 less packaging and assembly. That still = comes out cheaper than duplicating 500 discs in a duplicator tower and = the client has the option of using the unpackaged ones later or handing = them out as promotional copies. The overages aren't usually on the disc = side, but on the printer who makes the covers. Those guys do a standard = 10% overrun on everything no matter how much you beg them not to. Then = most DVD factories just make some extra discs to fill the packages. =
I don't think I've ever seen = the word "great" in the same sentence as Compressor and MPEG2 before. Of = course it's all subjective, but in my opinion at a high enough bit rate = Compressor's MPEG2 encodes are passable, but lower that rate and the = macro blocks start to show up fairly quickly. I think you'd really see = it in this encode at 4.1mbps.

On Jul 30, = 2012, at 2:02 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu= wrote:


To flush this one out a little = bit...

A DVD-Video disc is replicated = (literally stamped from a glass master or gold disc master in a dust = free environment).  Every copy is the same as the original. =  Also, it's assumed that the data structure is compliant with = DVD-Video specifications.  Usually, the minimum run is 2,000 discs. =  There's always an "overun", so you get more than = 2,000.

However, you can build the = DVD-Video data structure (the VIDEO_TS folder) without going to = replication.  To play this in a DVD-Video player or Blu-Ray player, = you would typically burn the VIDEO_TS data to a DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD_R DL, = etc.  As long as the player can read the media you've used, the = content should play as expected.  These are "burned' or "one offs'. =  In a computer, this can play directly from a hard = drive.

Apple Compressor has great MPEG2 = settings as long as you use the ones that have "best" in the name. =  Some encode MPEG2 in DVD Studio Pro which ironically does not have = a preset that favors image = quality.

And... if you care about image = quality, 150 minutes is the most you can cram onto one layer (a DVD5 if = you're replicating).

Fun stuff, = no?




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