Return-Path: Received: from mta11.charter.net ([216.33.127.80] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4791881 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Tue, 31 Jul 2012 02:12:56 +0200 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20120731001707.PJNZ10966.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:17:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.14] ([71.94.133.66]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id goH61j00D1S6qBK05oH6kJ; Mon, 30 Jul 2012 20:17:07 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=de4lG9b5LBLbdPP1mBfs3/eRZB7j2kpYfCvmEe8raAk= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:17 a=2RMpx-z6AAAA:8 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=O4tRnT2ek7SPiTh-kr4A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=RFaxJ1YKWH0A:10 a=p3b_eOXHgIUA:10 a=2T9qRC4ynFYA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=JEnz1sWB7F6Bx_WW:21 a=vHi7zHBj1VdhyNW_:21 a=m5fMy8avoBK81jQfz34A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:117 From: Jonathan Penzner Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-314406003 Subject: Re: [AE] DVD Question Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 17:17:05 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <3FFB5EA3-AF30-4BFF-B0A7-1DFE4E664F05@charter.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-10-314406003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks, Warren. Waiting now to hear from the client if they can do a layered DVD. Jonathan On Jul 30, 2012, at 5:06 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu wrote: > AS far as I'm aware, most if not all of the actual replication takes = place outside of the United States. >=20 > I still do delivery to clients on DLT tape who then take that to their = respective replicator; however, I just completed a fitness DVD being = replicated by SF Global Sourcing (sfvideo.com) and they allowed me to = deliver layer0 and layer1 (two layers for a DVD9 title) on DVD-R (burned = as ISO in Toast). There was something tricky about the ISO setting in = Toast (I had to change a setting to CD-ROM ISO or something like that). >=20 > Although, until I see DVD-Video discs in a spindle for that project, = I'm keeping a few DLT tapes handy. >=20 > If a replicator is accepting a DVD-R with a VIDEO_TS folder for = replication, then it's always been my understanding that they are = reverse engineering it to get it to being a layer0 file (I forget the = file extension that gets appended as this data is usually layed out to = DLT tape where you don't see the extension). >=20 >=20 >=20 > -Warren >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Quoting Jonathan Penzner : >=20 >> So, Warren, >>=20 >> this DVD is going to be replicated =96 how big the run is I have no = idea but it should be fairly big. What's the best way to send to the = replicating company, which, by the way is in China and I have no way of = getting in touch with them directly? In the past I've pressed a DVD with = Compressor at best quality to create the M2Vs, authored in DVDSP, and = burned the disks in Toast, then sent it off. Is there a better way? >>=20 >> Thanks, >>=20 >>=20 >> Jonathan >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:02 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> To flush this one out a little bit... >>>=20 >>> A DVD-Video disc is replicated (literally stamped from a glass = master or gold disc master in a dust free environment). Every copy is = the same as the original. Also, it's assumed that the data structure is = compliant with DVD-Video specifications. Usually, the minimum run is = 2,000 discs. There's always an "overun", so you get more than 2,000. >>>=20 >>> However, you can build the DVD-Video data structure (the VIDEO_TS = folder) without going to replication. To play this in a DVD-Video = player or Blu-Ray player, you would typically burn the VIDEO_TS data to = a DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD_R DL, etc. As long as the player can read the media = you've used, the content should play as expected. These are "burned' or = "one offs'. In a computer, this can play directly from a hard drive. >>>=20 >>> Apple Compressor has great MPEG2 settings as long as you use the = ones that have "best" in the name. Some encode MPEG2 in DVD Studio Pro = which ironically does not have a preset that favors image quality. >>>=20 >>> And... if you care about image quality, 150 minutes is the most you = can cram onto one layer (a DVD5 if you're replicating). >>>=20 >>> Fun stuff, no? >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -Warren >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Quoting Jonathan Penzner : >>>=20 >>>> Can you explain what a stamped disk is or give me a resource to = look up, Steve? >>>>=20 >>>> And are you familiar with the plug-in Andrius mentions =96 the = Cinemacraft CCE-MP? Other than hardware encoders, would this plug and = Adobe compressor rank highest? >>>>=20 >>>> Many thanks, >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Jonathan >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Steve Oakley wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> well the apple Mpeg2 codec won't do the the job unless its pretty = much mostly stills. adobe's mpeg2 compressor should do better, as well = as some others. it really depends on the motion and content as to what = you'll get. a 10 minute long test of actual program should give you a = good idea of if it will work... and for compatibility stamped discs are = the way to go. it never fails that if I have a problem, its always a = sony DVD player... >>>>>=20 >>>>> S >>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Andrius Simutis wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> For 250 minutes on a DVD9 your bit rate would be 4.1mbps for the = video assuming you're using .ac3 for the audio. >>>>>>> That's pretty low for compressor even running VBR with a wide = range, so you might want to run some test clips to make sure that what = you're getting looks decent enough for the client. >>>>>>> If you want to get the most out of Compressor (and you're doing = this often enough to justify spending $800) I'd recommend the = Cinemacraft CCE-MP plug in. It does a really nice job at the lower bit = rates where Compressor often falls down. >>>>>>> -Andrius Simutis >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Michael Hazarian wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Yea, 250 minutes should be doable with mpeg2, particularly if = there is a good amount of synthetic footage. I was just providing a bit = of an aside. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Mike Hazarian >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> JONATHAN PENZNER >>>> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >>>> VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >>>>=20 >>>> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >>>> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>>>=20 >>>> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >>=20 >> JONATHAN PENZNER >> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >> VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >>=20 >> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>=20 >> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to JONATHAN PENZNER SUNDANCE/REALTIME VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | | CELL 818 321-2890 | SUREAL@CHARTER.NET --Apple-Mail-10-314406003 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 wheaton@ucla.edu wrote:
AS = far as I'm aware, most if not all of the actual replication takes place = outside of the United States.

I still do delivery to clients on = DLT tape who then take that to their respective replicator; however, I = just completed a fitness DVD being replicated by SF Global Sourcing (sfvideo.com) and they allowed me to = deliver layer0 and layer1 (two layers for a DVD9 title) on DVD-R (burned = as ISO in Toast).  There was something tricky about the ISO setting = in Toast (I had to change a setting to CD-ROM ISO or something like = that).

Although, until I see DVD-Video discs in a spindle for = that project, I'm keeping a few DLT tapes handy.

If a replicator = is accepting a DVD-R with a VIDEO_TS folder for replication, then it's = always been my understanding that they are reverse engineering it to get = it to being a layer0 file (I forget the file extension that gets = appended as this data is usually layed out to DLT tape where you don't = see the = extension).



-Warren






Quoting = Jonathan Penzner <sureal@charter.net>:

So, Warren,

this DVD is = going to be replicated =96 how big the run is I have no idea but it = should be fairly big. What's the best way to send to the replicating = company, which, by the way is in China and I have no way of getting in = touch with them directly? In the past I've pressed a DVD with Compressor = at best quality to create the M2Vs, authored in DVDSP, and burned the = disks in Toast, then sent it off. Is there a better = way?

Thanks,


Jonathan


On Jul 30, = 2012, at 2:02 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu= wrote:


To flush this one out a little = bit...

A DVD-Video disc is replicated = (literally stamped from a glass master or gold disc master in a dust = free environment).  Every copy is the same as the original. =  Also, it's assumed that the data structure is compliant with = DVD-Video specifications.  Usually, the minimum run is 2,000 discs. =  There's always an "overun", so you get more than = 2,000.

However, you can build the = DVD-Video data structure (the VIDEO_TS folder) without going to = replication.  To play this in a DVD-Video player or Blu-Ray player, = you would typically burn the VIDEO_TS data to a DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD_R DL, = etc.  As long as the player can read the media you've used, the = content should play as expected.  These are "burned' or "one offs'. =  In a computer, this can play directly from a hard = drive.

Apple Compressor has great MPEG2 = settings as long as you use the ones that have "best" in the name. =  Some encode MPEG2 in DVD Studio Pro which ironically does not have = a preset that favors image = quality.

And... if you care about image = quality, 150 minutes is the most you can cram onto one layer (a DVD5 if = you're replicating).

Fun stuff, = no?



-Warren










Quoting Jonathan Penzner <sureal@charter.net>:

Can = you explain what a stamped disk is or give me a resource to look up, = Steve?

And = are you familiar with the plug-in Andrius mentions =96 the Cinemacraft = CCE-MP? Other than hardware encoders, would this plug and Adobe = compressor rank = highest?

Many = thanks,


Jonathan


On Jul = 30, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Steve Oakley = wrote:

well the apple Mpeg2 codec won't = do the the job unless its pretty much mostly stills. adobe's mpeg2 = compressor should do better, as well as some others. it really depends = on the motion and content as to what you'll get. a 10 minute long test = of actual program should give you a good idea of if it will work... and = for compatibility stamped discs are the way to go. it never fails that = if I have a problem, its always a sony DVD = player...

S


On Jul = 30, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Andrius Simutis = wrote:

For 250 minutes on a DVD9 your = bit rate would be 4.1mbps for the video assuming you're using .ac3 for = the = audio.
That's = pretty low for compressor even running VBR with a wide range, so you = might want to run some test clips to make sure that what you're getting = looks decent enough for the = client.
If you = want to get the most out of Compressor (and you're doing this often = enough to justify spending $800) I'd recommend the Cinemacraft CCE-MP = plug in. It does a really nice job at the lower bit rates where = Compressor often falls = down.
=
-Andrius= = Simutis

On Jul = 30, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Michael Hazarian = wrote:

Yea, 250 minutes should be = doable with mpeg2, particularly if there is a good amount of synthetic = footage. I was just providing a bit of an = aside.

Mike = Hazarian


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