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Subject: Re: [AE] DVD Question
From: Chris Meyer <chris@crishdesign.com>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:40:11 -0600
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On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:06 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu wrote:

> AS far as I'm aware, most if not all of the actual replication takes =
place outside of the United States.

I assume you mean by that video DVDs. Our next book's DVD-ROM is being =
replicated in Indiana, and indeed I was shocked how fast they turned =
around a proof disc (not a DVD-R - the real thing).

> I still do delivery to clients on DLT tape

So there's still a market for our old DLT drive! Cool! (smile)

thanks for sharing the wisdom -
Chris


> Quoting Jonathan Penzner <sureal@charter.net>:
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>> this DVD is going to be replicated =96 how big the run is I have no =
idea but it should be fairly big. What's the best way to send to the =
replicating company, which, by the way is in China and I have no way of =
getting in touch with them directly? In the past I've pressed a DVD with =
Compressor at best quality to create the M2Vs, authored in DVDSP, and =
burned the disks in Toast, then sent it off. Is there a better way?
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>> Jonathan
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>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:02 PM, wheaton@ucla.edu wrote:
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>>> To flush this one out a little bit...
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>>> A DVD-Video disc is replicated (literally stamped from a glass =
master or gold disc master in a dust free environment).  Every copy is =
the same as the original.  Also, it's assumed that the data structure is =
compliant with DVD-Video specifications.  Usually, the minimum run is =
2,000 discs.  There's always an "overun", so you get more than 2,000.
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>>> However, you can build the DVD-Video data structure (the VIDEO_TS =
folder) without going to replication.  To play this in a DVD-Video =
player or Blu-Ray player, you would typically burn the VIDEO_TS data to =
a DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD_R DL, etc.  As long as the player can read the media =
you've used, the content should play as expected.  These are "burned' or =
"one offs'.  In a computer, this can play directly from a hard drive.
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>>> Apple Compressor has great MPEG2 settings as long as you use the =
ones that have "best" in the name.  Some encode MPEG2 in DVD Studio Pro =
which ironically does not have a preset that favors image quality.
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>>> And... if you care about image quality, 150 minutes is the most you =
can cram onto one layer (a DVD5 if you're replicating).
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>>> Fun stuff, no?
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>>> -Warren
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>>> Quoting Jonathan Penzner <sureal@charter.net>:
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>>>> Can you explain what a stamped disk is or give me a resource to =
look up, Steve?
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>>>> And are you familiar with the plug-in Andrius mentions =96 the =
Cinemacraft CCE-MP? Other than hardware encoders, would this plug and =
Adobe compressor rank highest?
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>>>> Many thanks,
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>>>> Jonathan
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>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:
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>>>>> well the apple Mpeg2 codec won't do the the job unless its pretty =
much mostly stills. adobe's mpeg2 compressor should do better, as well =
as some others. it really depends on the motion and content as to what =
you'll get. a 10 minute long test of actual program should give you a =
good idea of if it will work... and for compatibility stamped discs are =
the way to go. it never fails that if I have a problem, its always a =
sony DVD player...
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>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:55 PM, Andrius Simutis wrote:
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>>>>>>> For 250 minutes on a DVD9 your bit rate would be 4.1mbps for the =
video assuming you're using .ac3 for the audio.
>>>>>>> That's pretty low for compressor even running VBR with a wide =
range, so you might want to run some test clips to make sure that what =
you're getting looks decent enough for the client.
>>>>>>> If you want to get the most out of Compressor (and you're doing =
this often enough to justify spending $800) I'd recommend the =
Cinemacraft CCE-MP plug in. It does a really nice job at the lower bit =
rates where Compressor often falls down.
>>>>>>> -Andrius Simutis
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>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Michael Hazarian wrote:
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>>>>>>>> Yea, 250 minutes should be doable with mpeg2, particularly if =
there is a good amount of synthetic footage. I was just providing a bit =
of an aside.
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>>>>>>>> Mike Hazarian
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