Return-Path: Received: from nm11-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.124] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4800675 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Sat, 04 Aug 2012 10:35:36 +0200 Received: from [98.139.44.101] by nm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2012 08:35:36 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.69] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2012 08:35:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Aug 2012 08:35:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 872437.72503.bm@omp1006.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 86503 invoked from network); 4 Aug 2012 08:35:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=HH09Gyp1lBpGEzXgAdoQ1cvnpwRplN6EAwgCq9nfY2L+A17BDZxXgo8KId2xOQzx9+o8C8mKzucfronuTEr9spiagiPll0eJ/Fr5kOF/tWJM87oCbdc+ev1/K1DbJwHoTI4pqKtst+WLKbOR86Az0CgXaoaAdvJP5SpWdKCCC44= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1344069336; bh=B2zOqnKE6iszN3EqKJfU41pDYDWNJdv7tqGsHdJrTv4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:User-Agent:Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Thread-Topic:In-Reply-To:Mime-version:Content-type; b=WGB3laO/OmQ0B8NIAZgSNkKNmZkcQXGjdGvlf0g7MQCgX395606ig7uiuyva/EeFVzCDCw4M+dCy0ASf/c92SSNhvbQftD/HLKwV0K83GwJY0iKPt3vJBjKou05igICz8mUhOJlusyF4KjUpVwoJEBKWUFGJOBZggbkepMJg1qU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZXFj04AVM1ltd.TB.rIE_jF87aO_zx9Fujfav_GNXU5FWrv GLvdGP6s.EhSihOw.j4Eh28iUBmP9XovnrLSC72fg2O8282mkTaVgVmZjBZB dK0LPUQrgTCznjhbexNzf7WmIWTQURhubiHaMSLUb.oJkn2fvMAMlcLAWcpf tZaSB2iOAhSOdFhWPxDbMlW3Nnsvevldf_B_dERfAdc0ro0oSaNFIYU_bcZj lO2OWVdwxyJB1qV7xYD4cHwPz9lWmee89QUL.oZAg4JCoEWxMSWadCrFnmfw 2n6ug11J32zrDFvQr94LuW7F5IlsO7mm.UdK.iycEHG3Pu_YxouP5tADFM5v 1rKZ1s_6LZRoX_ehyoyACoHsyDS.q9g_jQqqpiAyIpgznYFus0FxInGJQfNb CL7hcl0mclrLv5ashDxh2_oNds18HKixPFr_Jn7rnqzCMdvef0gySllFdmnQ Ieg42PQCv1UOL3cFcsVvZxBAnYtjt1n6GfaoqQKuliyKCpzMnI905xmp7rg- - X-Yahoo-SMTP: oDRl5YCswBBBAF2CmVHEIgXNa1rzfIV.sTBdVEGK6LOFehL6Acs- Received: from [192.168.1.70] (enrique0210@99.38.133.8 with login) by smtp114.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 04 Aug 2012 01:35:35 -0700 PDT User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.3.120616 Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2012 01:35:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [AE] disclaimers From: Enrique Gamez To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [AE] disclaimers In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3426888935_1065430" > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3426888935_1065430 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Just remember to wear "protection" while practicing your craft. ;) From: Jim Curtis Reply-To: After Effects Mail List Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:03 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] disclaimers I understand, Jack. It's a dirty business. But then, so is a lot of advertising, video marketing, televangelism, and so on. I get into this discussion frequently about whether it's the right thing to do to turn down clients whose policies, politics or products one disagrees with. But, I try to look at it this way, and as a facility owner, perhaps you'll agree: For those who work at a post house on staff and on salary, and with a family to support, how many of us can afford to take a stand and refuse to work for certain clients? The result of that would be getting fired. Who won that battle? I do the best work I can for my clients. And I've worked for some, mostly on staff somewhere, who I simply detest. Companies like Monsanto, Lockheed, Halliburton, Dow, Exxon, and other "evildoers and environment rapers" don't have a problem finding people to market for them. And very few post-house owners can afford to turn down bucket loads of money on principle. The lilly-white, eco-friendly, socially-responsible corporations are few and far between. Some even argue that to be so goes against the ultimate goal of corporatism, which is to maximize shareholder value. We buy Chinese products that are the result of exploitative working conditions. Working in a capitalist system is a mine field of ethical quandaries. I often call myself a video whore, but like many expensive prostitutes, I do draw the line on certain things. On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: > No problem, Jim. I think politics (of any kind) is my low threshold for > topics I dislike reading about. > > Jack Tunnicliffe > Java Post Production > www.javapost.ca > > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > >> What, no chastising for gloating about American music video award >> nominations, or musings about plug-in purchases? >> >> Please forgive my ugly-americanism, Jack. >> >> And congratulations to David, proud owners of new plug-ins, Slash ticket >> recipients, best 24" monitor shoppers, Illustrator victims, and any other OT >> posters I left out. >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >> >>> Hmmmm, I wonder what the font size is for political ads in Denmark? I'll be >>> sure to start a thread for the next time Canada has an election. I'm being >>> sarcastic of course, but reminding people that this is an international list >>> where many of us could care less about US political ads. >>> >>> I know the AE user list is a valuable resource with many brains to add to a >>> discussion but I'd suggest an OT in the subject heading and then move the >>> discussion off the list once contact has been initiated with helpful >>> subscribers. I am on several user lists and sometimes these off topic posts >>> add up to be a great deal of noise in the old in box in the course of a day. >>> >>> Jack Tunnicliffe >>> Java Post Production >>> www.javapost.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >> >> >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to --B_3426888935_1065430 Content-type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable
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;)

From: Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com>
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Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:03 PM
To: After Effects Mail List <AE= -List@media-motion.tv>
Subject: Re: [AE] disclaimers

I understan= d, Jack.  It's a dirty business.  But then, so is a lot = of advertising, video marketing, televangelism, and so on.

I get into this discussion frequently about whether it's the right t= hing to do to turn down clients whose policies, politics or products one dis= agrees with.  But, I try to look at it this way, and as a facility= owner, perhaps you'll agree:  

For those= who work at a post house on staff and on salary, and with a family to suppo= rt, how many of us can afford to take a stand and refuse to work for certain= clients?  The result of that would be getting fired.  W= ho won that battle?

I do the best work I can for my= clients.  And I've worked for some, mostly on staff somewhere, wh= o I simply detest.  Companies like Monsanto, Lockheed, Halliburton= , Dow, Exxon, and other "evildoers and environment rapers" don't have a prob= lem finding people to market for them.  And very few post-house ow= ners can afford to turn down bucket loads of money on principle.  = The lilly-white, eco-friendly, socially-responsible corporations are few and= far between.  Some even argue that to be so goes against the ulti= mate goal of corporatism, which is to maximize shareholder value.
=
We buy Chinese products that are the result of exploitative w= orking conditions.  Working in a capitalist system is a mine field= of ethical quandaries.

I often call myself a video= whore, but like many expensive prostitutes, I do draw the line on certain t= hings.



On Jul 31, 201= 2, at 2:33 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:

No problem, Jim. I think politics (of an= y kind) is my low threshold for topics I dislike reading about.
=
Jack Tunnicliffe
Java Post Production
www.= javapost.ca
On Jul 31, 2012, = at 1:21 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
What, no chastising for gloating about American musi= c video award nominations, or musings about plug-in purchases?
Please forgive my ugly-americanism, Jack.
A= nd congratulations to David, proud owners of new plug-ins, Slash ticket reci= pients, best 24" monitor shoppers, Illustrator victims, and any other OT pos= ters I left out.
= On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:
Hmmmm, I wonder what the font= size is for political ads in Denmark? I'll be sure to start a thread for th= e next time Canada has an election. I'm being sarcastic of course, but remin= ding people that this is an international list where many of us could care l= ess about US political ads.
I know the AE user list = is a valuable resource with many brains to add to a discussion but I'd sugge= st an OT in the subject heading and then move the discussion off the list on= ce contact has been initiated with helpful subscribers. I am on several user= lists and sometimes these off topic posts add up to be a great deal of nois= e in the old in box in the course of a day.
Jack Tunn= icliffe
Java Post Production
www.javapost.ca
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