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[77.249.19.212]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fr4sm4365459wib.8.2012.08.04.04.45.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 04 Aug 2012 04:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Gary Berendsen From: Gary Berendsen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_6A593B58-5289-41D0-94F1-CE44E359C156" Message-Id: <3E663DB2-5236-4570-BA6D-897113258ED3@garyberendsen.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.0 \(1485\)) Subject: Re: [AE] disclaimers Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 13:45:56 +0200 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1485) --Apple-Mail=_6A593B58-5289-41D0-94F1-CE44E359C156 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have a carsales ad instead: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtoUiCVs2 ;) Gary Berendsen gary@garyberendsen.com On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Enrique Gamez = wrote: > Just remember to wear "protection" while practicing your craft. > ;) >=20 > From: Jim Curtis > Reply-To: After Effects Mail List > Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:03 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] disclaimers >=20 > I understand, Jack. It's a dirty business. But then, so is a lot of = advertising, video marketing, televangelism, and so on. >=20 > I get into this discussion frequently about whether it's the right = thing to do to turn down clients whose policies, politics or products = one disagrees with. But, I try to look at it this way, and as a = facility owner, perhaps you'll agree: =20 >=20 > For those who work at a post house on staff and on salary, and with a = family to support, how many of us can afford to take a stand and refuse = to work for certain clients? The result of that would be getting fired. = Who won that battle? >=20 > I do the best work I can for my clients. And I've worked for some, = mostly on staff somewhere, who I simply detest. Companies like = Monsanto, Lockheed, Halliburton, Dow, Exxon, and other "evildoers and = environment rapers" don't have a problem finding people to market for = them. And very few post-house owners can afford to turn down bucket = loads of money on principle. The lilly-white, eco-friendly, = socially-responsible corporations are few and far between. Some even = argue that to be so goes against the ultimate goal of corporatism, which = is to maximize shareholder value. >=20 > We buy Chinese products that are the result of exploitative working = conditions. Working in a capitalist system is a mine field of ethical = quandaries. >=20 > I often call myself a video whore, but like many expensive = prostitutes, I do draw the line on certain things. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >=20 > No problem, Jim. I think politics (of any kind) is my low threshold = for topics I dislike reading about. > Jack Tunnicliffe > Java Post Production > www.javapost.ca > On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > What, no chastising for gloating about American music video award = nominations, or musings about plug-in purchases? > Please forgive my ugly-americanism, Jack. > And congratulations to David, proud owners of new plug-ins, Slash = ticket recipients, best 24" monitor shoppers, Illustrator victims, and = any other OT posters I left out. > On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: > Hmmmm, I wonder what the font size is for political ads in Denmark? = I'll be sure to start a thread for the next time Canada has an election. = I'm being sarcastic of course, but reminding people that this is an = international list where many of us could care less about US political = ads. > I know the AE user list is a valuable resource with many brains to add = to a discussion but I'd suggest an OT in the subject heading and then = move the discussion off the list once contact has been initiated with = helpful subscribers. I am on several user lists and sometimes these off = topic posts add up to be a great deal of noise in the old in box in the = course of a day. > Jack Tunnicliffe > Java Post Production > www.javapost.ca > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 --Apple-Mail=_6A593B58-5289-41D0-94F1-CE44E359C156 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Have = a carsales ad instead:

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Gary Berendsen



On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Enrique Gamez <enrique0210@sbcglobal.net>= ; wrote:

Just remember to wear = "protection" while practicing your = craft.
;)

From: Jim = Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com>
Reply-To: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 = 1:03 PM
To: After Effects = Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Subject: Re: [AE] = disclaimers

I understand, = Jack.  It's a dirty business.  But then, so is a lot = of advertising, video marketing, televangelism, and so = on.

I get into this discussion frequently about = whether it's the right thing to do to turn down clients whose policies, = politics or products one disagrees with.  But, I try to look = at it this way, and as a facility owner, perhaps you'll = agree:  

For those who work at a post = house on staff and on salary, and with a family to support, how many of = us can afford to take a stand and refuse to work for certain = clients?  The result of that would be getting = fired.  Who won that battle?

I do the = best work I can for my clients.  And I've worked for some, = mostly on staff somewhere, who I simply detest.  Companies = like Monsanto, Lockheed, Halliburton, Dow, Exxon, and other "evildoers = and environment rapers" don't have a problem finding people to market = for them.  And very few post-house owners can afford to turn = down bucket loads of money on principle.  The lilly-white, = eco-friendly, socially-responsible corporations are few and far = between.  Some even argue that to be so goes against the = ultimate goal of corporatism, which is to maximize shareholder = value.

We buy Chinese products that are the = result of exploitative working conditions.  Working in a = capitalist system is a mine field of ethical = quandaries.

I often call myself a video whore, = but like many expensive prostitutes, I do draw the line on certain = things.



On Jul = 31, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe = wrote:

No problem, Jim. I = think politics (of any kind) is my low threshold for topics I dislike = reading about.
Jack Tunnicliffe
Java = Post Production
=
On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jim = Curtis wrote:
What, no chastising for = gloating about American music video award nominations, or musings about = plug-in purchases?
Please forgive my = ugly-americanism, Jack.
And congratulations to = David, proud owners of new plug-ins, Slash ticket recipients, best 24" = monitor shoppers, Illustrator victims, and any other OT posters I left = out.
On Jul = 31, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:
=
Hmmmm, I wonder what the font size is for political ads in = Denmark? I'll be sure to start a thread for the next time Canada has an = election. I'm being sarcastic of course, but reminding people that this = is an international list where many of us could care less about US = political ads.
I know the AE user list is a = valuable resource with many brains to add to a discussion but I'd = suggest an OT in the subject heading and then move the discussion off = the list once contact has been initiated with helpful subscribers. I am = on several user lists and sometimes these off topic posts add up to be a = great deal of noise in the old in box in the course of a day.
=
Jack Tunnicliffe
Java Post Production
=
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