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Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:22:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 References: Message-ID: <1344914568.97934.YahooMailNeo@web121905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:22:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Russel Fairley Reply-To: Russel Fairley Subject: Re: [AE] disclaimers To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="4535996-1890472782-1344914568=:97934" --4535996-1890472782-1344914568=:97934 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim - Sorry if I was inappropriate with my OT email.=A0 I don't know people= in Boston outside of this list.=A0 I'll keep OT stuff off-list.=0A=0A=0A__= ______________________________=0A From: Gary Berendsen =0ATo: After Effects Mail List =0ASent: Satur= day, August 4, 2012 7:45:56 AM=0ASubject: Re: [AE] disclaimers=0A =0A=0AHav= e a carsales ad instead:=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DtoUiCVs2=0A=0A;= )=0A=0A=0AGary Berendsen=0Agary@garyberendsen.com=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Aug 4, 2012= , at 10:35 AM, Enrique Gamez wrote:=0A=0AJust r= emember to wear "protection" while practicing your craft.=0A>;)=0A>=0A>From= : Jim Curtis =0A>Reply-To: After Effects Mail List =0A>Date: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:03 PM=0A>To: After= Effects Mail List =0A>Subject: Re: [AE] disclaim= ers=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>I understand, Jack.=A0=A0It's a dirty business.=A0=A0But= then, so is a lot of advertising, video marketing, televangelism, and so o= n.=0A>=0A>=0A>I get into this discussion frequently about whether it's the = right thing to do to turn down clients whose policies, politics or products= one disagrees with.=A0=A0But, I try to look at it this way, and as a facil= ity owner, perhaps you'll agree:=A0=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>For those who work at a p= ost house on staff and on salary, and with a family to support, how many of= us can afford to take a stand and refuse to work for certain clients?=A0= =A0The result of that would be getting fired.=A0=A0Who won that battle?=0A>= =0A>=0A>I do the best work I can for my clients.=A0=A0And I've worked for s= ome, mostly on staff somewhere, who I simply detest.=A0=A0Companies like Mo= nsanto, Lockheed, Halliburton, Dow, Exxon, and other "evildoers and environ= ment rapers" don't have a problem finding people to market for them.=A0=A0A= nd very few post-house owners can afford to turn down bucket loads of money= on principle.=A0=A0The lilly-white, eco-friendly, socially-responsible cor= porations are few and far between.=A0=A0Some even argue that to be so goes = against the ultimate goal of corporatism, which is to maximize shareholder = value.=0A>=0A>=0A>We buy Chinese products that are the result of exploitati= ve working conditions.=A0=A0Working in a capitalist system is a mine field = of ethical quandaries.=0A>=0A>=0A>I often call myself a video whore, but li= ke many expensive prostitutes, I do draw the line on certain things.=0A>=0A= >=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:= =0A>=0A>=0A>No problem, Jim. I think politics (of any kind) is my low thres= hold for topics I dislike reading about. =0A>>Jack Tunnicliffe=0A>>Java Pos= t Production=0A>>www.javapost.ca=0A>>On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jim Curti= s wrote:=0A>>What, no chastising for gloating about American music video aw= ard nominations, or musings about plug-in purchases?=0A>>>Please forgive my= ugly-americanism, Jack.=0A>>>And congratulations to David, proud owners of= new plug-ins, Slash ticket recipients, best 24" monitor shoppers, Illustra= tor victims, and any other OT posters I left out.=0A>>>On Jul 31, 2012, at = 2:04 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:=0A>>>Hmmmm, I wonder what the font size is= for political ads in Denmark? I'll be sure to start a thread for the next = time Canada has an election. I'm being sarcastic of course, but reminding p= eople that this is an international list where many of us could care less a= bout US political ads. =0A>>>>I know the AE user list is a valuable resourc= e with many brains to add to a discussion but I'd suggest an OT in the subj= ect heading and then move the discussion off the list once contact has been= initiated with helpful subscribers. I am on several user lists and sometim= es these off topic posts add up to be a great deal of noise in the old in b= ox in the course of a day.=0A>>>>Jack Tunnicliffe=0A>>>>Java Post Productio= n=0A>>>>www.javapost.ca=0A>>>>+---End of message---+=0A>>>>To unsubscribe s= end any message to =0A>>>+---End of message---= +=0A>>>To unsubscribe send any message to =0A>= >+---End of message---+=0A>>To unsubscribe send any message to =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>+---End of message---+=0A>To unsubscri= be send any message to =0A>=0A> --4535996-1890472782-1344914568=:97934 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jim - Sorry if I was= inappropriate with my OT email.  I don't know people in Boston outsid= e of this list.  I'll keep OT stuff off-list.

From: Gary Bere= ndsen <gary@garyberendsen.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
Sent: Saturday, Augus= t 4, 2012 7:45:56 AM
Subject: Re: [AE] disclaimers

Have a carsales ad instead:

;)

=0A
Gary Bere= ndsen


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On Aug 4, 2012, at 10:35 AM, Enrique = Gamez <enrique0210@sbc= global.net> wrote:

Just remember to wear "prot= ection" while practicing your craft.
;)

<= span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From: Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com>
Reply-To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv= >
Date: Tuesday, July 3= 1, 2012 1:03 PM
To: After Effe= cts Mail List <AE-List@med= ia-motion.tv>
Subject: = Re: [AE] disclaimers

I understand, Jack.&= nbsp; It's a dirty business.  But then, so is a lot of adver= tising, video marketing, televangelism, and so on.

I get into this discussion frequently about whether it's the right thing t= o do to turn down clients whose policies, politics or products one disagree= s with.  But, I try to look at it this way, and as a facility own= er, perhaps you'll agree:  

For those who work at a= post house on staff and on salary, and with a family to support, how many = of us can afford to take a stand and refuse to work for certain clients?&nb= sp; The result of that would be getting fired.  Who won that= battle?

I do the best work I can for my clients.&= nbsp; And I've worked for some, mostly on staff somewhere, who I simpl= y detest.  Companies like Monsanto, Lockheed, Halliburton, Dow, E= xxon, and other "evildoers and environment rapers" don't have a problem fin= ding people to market for them.  And very few post-house owners c= an afford to turn down bucket loads of money on principle.  The l= illy-white, eco-friendly, socially-responsible corporations are few and far= between.  Some even argue that to be so goes against the ultimat= e goal of corporatism, which is to maximize shareholder value.

We buy Chinese products that are the resul= t of exploitative working conditions.  Working in a capitalist sy= stem is a mine field of ethical quandaries.

I ofte= n call myself a video whore, but like many expensive prostitutes, I do draw= the line on certain things.



On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:
N= o problem, Jim. I think politics (of any kind) is my low threshold for topi= cs I dislike reading about.
Jack Tunnicliffe
<= div> Java Post Production
=
On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:21 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
What, no chastising for gloating about American music vide= o award nominations, or musings about plug-in purchases?
<= div> Please forgive my ugly-americanism, Jack.
And c= ongratulations to David, proud owners of new plug-ins, Slash ticket recipie= nts, best 24" monitor shoppers, Illustrator victims, and any other OT poste= rs I left out.
O= n Jul 31, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:
Hmmmm, I wonde= r what the font size is for political ads in Denmark? I'll be sure to start= a thread for the next time Canada has an election. I'm being sarcastic of course, but reminding people that this is an international list where many= of us could care less about US political ads.
I kn= ow the AE user list is a valuable resource with many brains to add to a dis= cussion but I'd suggest an OT in the subject heading and then move the disc= ussion off the list once contact has been initiated with helpful subscriber= s. I am on several user lists and sometimes these off topic posts add up to= be a great deal of noise in the old in box in the course of a day.
Jack Tunnicliffe
Java Post Production
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