Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4819960 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:02:49 +0200 Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so27851vcb.28 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ZpX2sRBrSxU2A2QCTi/KlaogLPZ2qxsKGcOynoVRc84=; b=MLg9L0ALhfz20G3rsKll0v2EULFkSEf2o3SkIkWo+yh9FnzRyV+ILRy/oQfPjLWPto c8THn7S8EfqcZq6lfaaa0W+4n3I2Ot/c9EQI/ebnG7hIvVF67zip7vkl/BgGdDVwibMl Qw7oW7b0OZCojzmgaBgNFJmP9fzY20PZiLBPd9hV5XcfNDMkLwb9mIkWU9oyX69sIsx2 UE5t8g/lysQX/tfO+UV3QBMQugqmlbPmkuOYJGHWdAF45gzZpOlQY0Fa010K0cCyYktm i0O3qD/wQs16jYrU2YOgtFcImXjGpFgoAupXMvJSuyYYwZ5gAL6Vd+UI8ECe1F5+udND m/Zw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.37.194 with SMTP id y2mr13958663vcd.44.1345568602459; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.18.212 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 10:03:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:03:22 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] OT: AME Match Source Attributes From: Robert Kjettrup To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54eea8e92113704c7c99a7f X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlNT9jcIgZhYjjY+Rqe2UYbJ47zMRuDbIF2/UMy7MA+c3ofGuaMynt+5VZHY+kDwUcBJO9e --bcaec54eea8e92113704c7c99a7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 that sounds weird... Am i overlooking something really simple here that i have wanted in AME all these years? Are you seeing "match source" as an option for all quicktime codecs when entering the "export settings" dialog box? Is there really a difference in the win and mac versions of AME? I use FFMPEG and "Another GUI" as a frontend to generate Prores files, and it seems to work ok, no FCP user i have delivered to has complained yet :-) It doesn't make Prores output possible through any regular programs you have to do this extra step to convert the files, maybe Adobe could include FFMPEG as an encoder engine in AME someday :-) Only problem with this workflow is i can't get ffmpeg to encode excact colors in the Prores if my input file is a YUV file, it only seems to work 100% correct with RGB encoded input files, but maybe there is some obscure ffmpeg setting that i can't figure out how to use. Heres a link to any windows user who doesn't know this small program: http://www.stuudio.ee/anothergui/ Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday Mobil: 25 18 95 16 Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk 2012/8/21 Jim Curtis > That you're on Windows may explain it. > > I have read of a method to encode to ProRes on Windows, but it requires a > third-party app, and some hoop-jumping, IIRC. So, I presume even with this > software installed, you wouldn't see ProRes as an export option in AME, Ae > or Pr. > > What about AVI? Isn't that available as a Match Source option? > > I just tried Avid Meridian Compressed, as an experiment, as a Preview > option, and Match Settings works for Export there, too. > > I'm on Mac, BTW. > > > > On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > > hmmmm.... > > i just checked here again.... i only get the "Automatic (based on source)" > option on the different properties on the following formats: > MPEG2 Blu-ray > MPEG2-DVD > H.264 Blu-ray (Legacy) > FLV > F4V > ...the two last there is only the framerate that you can take from source, > but it automaticly takes the size from source, then you have to check a box > to force it to resize. Another inconsistency in AME. > I am on a windows machine so i don't have access to the Prores encode > presets, but none of my quicktime codecs has the option to use the source > attributes. ? > > > Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday > Mobil: 25 18 95 16 > Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk > > > 2012/8/21 Jim Curtis > >> Robert, I use ProRes as a Preview format, and Match Source Attributes is >> available to me. >> >> Byron, to your OP, once you change anything, you're not matching source >> attributes any longer. So, there's your answer. >> >> It's easy to make presets. Just pick an export format that contains the >> codec you want, modify anything else, and save it. >> >> Presets sort alphanumerically, so that's something I keep in mind when >> naming them. Putting the most used ones at the top saves a bit of time. >> Consistent naming methods keep everything grouped nicely, and minimize my >> searching for the one I want. >> >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> I think it is only mpeg2 that has the "match source attributes" setting, >> which is a shame since it could be nice to have in every format... AME >> could use a good cleanup in making the settings for the different formats >> more alike. Some has bitrate in Kbps others in more useful Mbps, some has a >> framerate setting, some don't. >> And the "Filters"tab should just be removed and replaced with a >> effectpreset independent of the encodesettings, so you could add different >> effects to a clip, like add black leadin/leadout, adjust volume, apply a >> LUT, timecode burnin, etc... >> >> >> Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday >> Mobil: 25 18 95 16 >> Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >> >> >> 2012/8/21 Byron Nash >> >>> Sorry for the OT, I haven't been able to find an answer to this and >>> usually assume if this list doesn't know, it's the end of the road. ;-) >>> >>> Some of the presets in Adobe Media Encoder(CS6 here) have "Match Source >>> Attributes" for the size, frame rate, etc.. I would like to make some >>> presets that convert footage to other formats without changing the size and >>> frame rate. I see no way to set values to "Match Source" when making a >>> preset. Looks like I would have to create presets for every size I might >>> run into. Has anyone found a good workaround for this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Byron >>> >> >> >> > > --bcaec54eea8e92113704c7c99a7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
that sounds weird...

Am i overlooking somethi= ng really simple here that i have wanted in AME all these years?=A0
Are you seeing "match source" as an option for all quicktime c= odecs when entering the "export settings" dialog box?
Is there really a difference in the win and mac versions of AME?
=

I use FFMPEG and "Another GUI" as a frontend to ge= nerate Prores files, and it seems to work ok, no FCP user i have delivered = to has complained yet :-)
It doesn't make Prores output possible through any regular programs you= have to do this extra step to convert the files, maybe Adobe could include= FFMPEG as an encoder engine in AME someday :-)
Only problem with t= his workflow is i can't get ffmpeg to encode excact colors in the Prore= s if my input file is a YUV file, it only seems to work 100% correct with R= GB encoded input files, but maybe there is some obscure ffmpeg setting that= i can't figure out how to use.
Heres a link to any windows user who doesn't know this small progr= am:



Robert Kjettrup = / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk


2012/8/21 Jim Curtis &= lt;jpcurtis@me.com= >
That you're on Windows may explain = it. =A0

I have read of a method to encode to ProRes on W= indows, but it requires a third-party app, and some hoop-jumping, IIRC. =A0= So, I presume even with this software installed, you wouldn't see ProRe= s as an export option in AME, Ae or Pr.

What about AVI? =A0Isn't that available as a Match = Source option?

I just tried Avid Meridian Compress= ed, as an experiment, as a Preview option, and Match Settings works for Exp= ort there, too.

I'm on Mac, BTW.
<= br>


On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Ro= bert Kjettrup wrote:

hmmmm....=A0
i just checked here again.... i only get the "Automatic (ba= sed on source)" option on the different properties on the following fo= rmats:
MPEG2 Blu-ray
MPEG2-DVD
H.264 Blu-ray (Legacy)
FLV
F4V
...the tw= o last there is only the framerate that you can take from source, but it au= tomaticly takes the size from source, then you have to check a box to force= it to resize. Another inconsistency in AME.
I am on a windows machine so i don't have access to the Prores enc= ode presets, but none of my quicktime codecs has the option to use the sour= ce attributes. ?


Robert Kjettrup= / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk


2012/8/21 Jim Curtis &= lt;jpcurtis@me.com= >
Robert, I use ProRes as a Preview forma= t, and Match Source Attributes is available to me.

Byron= , to your OP, once you change anything, you're not matching source attr= ibutes any longer. =A0So, there's your answer.

It's easy to make presets. =A0Just pick an export f= ormat that contains the codec you want, modify anything else, and save it. = =A0

Presets sort alphanumerically, so that's s= omething I keep in mind when naming them. =A0Putting the most used ones at = the top saves a bit of time. =A0Consistent naming methods keep everything g= rouped nicely, and minimize my searching for the one I want.



On Aug 21, 2012,= at 10:02 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote:

Hi

I think it is only mpeg2 that has the "match source attr= ibutes" setting, which is a shame since it could be nice to have in ev= ery format... AME could use a good cleanup in making the settings for the d= ifferent formats more alike. Some has bitrate in Kbps others in more useful= Mbps, some has a framerate setting, some don't.
And the "Filters"tab should just be removed and replaced with= a effectpreset independent of the encodesettings, so you could add differe= nt effects to a clip, like add black leadin/leadout, adjust volume, apply a= LUT, timecode burnin, etc...


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
= Mail: robert@stvma= yday.dk


2012/8/21 Byron Nash &= lt;byronnash@gmail= .com>
Sorry for the OT, I haven't been able to find an answer to this and usu= ally assume if this list doesn't know, it's the end of the road. ;-= )

Some of the presets in Adobe Media Encoder(CS6 here) h= ave "Match Source Attributes" for the size, frame rate, etc.. I w= ould like to make some presets that convert footage to other formats withou= t changing the size and frame rate. I see no way to set values to "Mat= ch Source"=A0when making a preset. Looks like I would have to create p= resets for every size I might run into. Has anyone found a good workaround = for this?

Thanks,
Byron





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