Return-Path: Received: from toroondcbmts05-srv.bellnexxia.net ([207.236.237.39] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4819969 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 19:15:52 +0200 Received: from toip37-bus.srvr.bell.ca ([67.69.240.38]) by toroondcbmts05-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20120821171625.IJVM25767.toroondcbmts05-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip37-bus.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:16:25 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArwBAHe+M1BGMVLj/2dsb2JhbAANOIJKpnOITAGMAAEBAQMBSQUwCwsHBgsuMRURBggLGQQEhXCBdqVYlBOLCIY8YAOVUoEUhGqFEYgBgUU X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.77,804,1336363200"; d="scan'208,217";a="393267211" Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.2.11]) ([70.49.82.227]) by toip37-bus.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 21 Aug 2012 13:16:21 -0400 From: Chris Bobotis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-25-42477517 Subject: Re: [AE] Invigorator and Element for logos Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 13:16:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <0F948F47-6335-4989-BF0F-A1A8BC6F1FC6@mettle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) --Apple-Mail-25-42477517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We do but then again we can use pretty much anything that can be = rasterized. Even masks with feathers. The new variable feather masking = is very neat we take advantage of that too. Tutorial coming up = showcasing that. Cheers, Chris Mettle.com Skype: Mettlecom On 2012-08-21, at 12:48 PM, Satya G Meka wrote: > You can't blame the plugin vendor for not using Shape Layers for = extrusion. AE SDK doesn't provide any access to shape layers. I would = doubt that any plugin can implement this, unless of course they work = privately with Adobe. >=20 > regards, > Satya. > On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: >=20 >> Thanks for all the feedback. I didn't know I could export an OBJ = from Invigorator. Nor had I heard of SketchUp. Good point about how = lighting affects colors. =20 >>=20 >> I went ahead and bought the plug-in, but was dismayed to discover = that it won't use Shape Layers as sources for extrusion. So, the new = convert masks to shapes feature won't help me. Unless I'm doing = something terribly wrong. >>=20 >> After working with it on one project, I've decided that Invigorator = is much better for my needs. This is because of the ability to import a = layered Ai file (which is how most of my logos originate), simpler layer = animation controls, the fact that layers don't have to be re-scaled and = re-positioned manually after import, and because Invigorator casts = shadows internally, whereas Element doesn't. >>=20 >> It's probably going to be OK for text extrusions, wacky particle = effects, and the occasional OBJ import scenarios. But, it's not the = right tool for doing logo animations other than simple extrusions, = spins, etc., IMO. >>=20 >> I thought I'd pass that along in case anybody else was considering = getting Element specifically for logos. >>=20 >> Thanks to everybody who offered advice and suggestions! >>=20 >> =20 >> On Aug 15, 2012, at 9:53 PM, patrick siemer wrote: >>=20 >>> PLUS, >>> If you don't want any more 3D in your life, but you do want = Element's speed, Zaxwerks Invigorator will export your OBJ logos from = AE, and then Element can read them in to AE. I mean, you already own = it. just learn how.=20 >>> The modeler in Invigorator is just great. >>> -patrick siemer >>> tapeandglue.com >>>=20 >>> On Aug 15, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>>=20 >>>> >I'd have to copy all my Ai vectors and paste to masks in Ae, one = group at a time. >>>>=20 >>>> that's not really that difficult, you can do multiple paths into = shape layer paths at once, you just need to create as many shape layer = paths as you have vector paths, and make sure the path properties are = twirled down when pasting back and forth. >>>>=20 >>>> >Another tricky part seems to be matching official client colors. >>>>=20 >>>> isn't that part of our job? I mean if you use something like C4D it = will import the textures, exact colors too >>>>=20 >>>> >I don't have, nor do I want a 3D app to make an obj file to export = to Element. >>>>=20 >>>> So you refuse to learn about using 3D but you want a 3D animation? = Sketchup can export .obj files and it's free. Or why not just hire = someone else to do it? Element isn't going to automatically do all the = magic for you. You gotta put in SOME effort. :D >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jim Curtis = wrote: >>>>> I'm looking at getting VCP Element for animating logos, but it = appears that may be tricky. >>>>>=20 >>>>> If I understand the method correctly, I'd have to copy all my Ai = vectors and paste to masks in Ae, one group at a time. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Then do my voodoo in Element. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Another tricky part seems to be matching official client colors. = Other than writing down RGB values in Ai and entering manually in = Element, I don't see a way in the Element tutorials to assign proper = colors to Element layers (such as an eyedropper I can click on an = external Ai file. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I don't have, nor do I want a 3D app to make an obj file to export = to Element. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I have Invigorator Pro 6, but the Element demos make it look much = faster, once you get your layer groups into Element. And that looks = like the hardest part. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Any thoughts? I don't see a download trial for Element on the VCP = site. Did I overlook the link? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jim C. >>>>>=20 >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>> Animator & Editor >>>> www.teddygage.com >>>> Brooklyn >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-25-42477517 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii We do = but then again we can use pretty much anything that can be rasterized. = Even masks with feathers. The new variable feather masking is very neat = we take advantage of that too. Tutorial coming up showcasing = that.

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On 2012-08-21, at 12:48 = PM, Satya G Meka wrote:


regards,
Satya.

On Tuesday, = August 21, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Jim Curtis wrote:

Thanks for all the feedback.  I = didn't know I could export an OBJ from Invigorator.  Nor had I = heard of SketchUp.  Good point about how lighting affects colors. =  

I went ahead and bought the plug-in, but was = dismayed to discover that it won't use Shape Layers as sources for = extrusion.  So, the new convert masks to shapes feature won't help = me.  Unless I'm doing something terribly = wrong.

After working with it on one project, = I've decided that Invigorator is much better for my needs.  This is = because of the ability to import a layered Ai file (which is how most of = my logos originate), simpler layer animation controls, the fact that = layers don't have to be re-scaled and re-positioned manually after = import, and because Invigorator casts shadows internally, whereas = Element doesn't.

It's probably going to be OK = for text extrusions, wacky particle effects, and the occasional OBJ = import scenarios.  But, it's not the right tool for doing logo = animations other than simple extrusions, spins, etc., = IMO.

I thought I'd pass that along in case = anybody else was considering getting Element specifically for = logos.

Thanks to everybody who offered advice = and suggestions!

 
On Aug 15, = 2012, at 9:53 PM, patrick siemer wrote:

PLUS,
If you don't = want any more 3D in your life, but you do want Element's speed, Zaxwerks = Invigorator will export your OBJ logos from AE, and then Element can = read them in to AE.  I mean, you already own it. just learn = how. 
The modeler in Invigorator is just = great.
-patrick siemer

On Aug 15, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

>I'd have to copy all my Ai vectors and paste to = masks in Ae, one group at a time.

that's not really that = difficult, you can do multiple paths into shape layer paths at once, you = just need to create as many shape layer paths as you have vector paths, = and make sure the path properties are twirled down when pasting back and = forth.

>Another tricky part seems to be matching official client = colors.

isn't that part of our job? I mean if you use something = like C4D it will import the textures, exact colors too

>I = don't have, nor do I want a 3D app to make an obj file to export to = Element.

So you refuse to learn about using 3D but you want a 3D animation? = Sketchup can export .obj files and it's free. Or why not just hire = someone else to do it? Element isn't going to automatically do all the = magic for you. You gotta put in SOME effort. :D

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com> wrote:
I'm looking at getting VCP Element for animating logos, but it appears = that may be tricky.

If I understand the method correctly, I'd have to copy all my Ai vectors = and paste to masks in Ae, one group at a time.

Then do my voodoo in Element.

Another tricky part seems to be matching official client colors. =  Other than writing down RGB values in Ai and entering manually in = Element, I don't see a way in the Element tutorials to assign proper = colors to Element layers (such as an eyedropper I can click on an = external Ai file.

I don't have, nor do I want a 3D app to make an obj file to export to = Element.

I have Invigorator Pro 6, but the Element demos make it look much = faster, once you get your layer groups into Element.  And that = looks like the hardest part.

Any thoughts?  I don't see a download trial for Element on the VCP = site.  Did I overlook the link?

Jim C.

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