Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4820079 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:39:41 +0200 Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so201488obh.28 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=vSUsEld9o3ngbZbHEMNfrtQ9JMIq8efbeGJWq9KneCk=; b=xsJLidTzVyiA9y9h5zrei3BDjAhHatplmTKZ7qYffrrsOS1Qpau3M0MQQVJz+jkNiC q4y8vuD3fkfFNmHzwAxe5xUakdCXmu75zIRIeLevoBeNyJq80+e3EtI9LgfCKkdRsT0t /xqcnPMLIGp7PFQa8ocf9CqogSDCA/wWJJAXfzhhkmo+Cde8k2fJcwlVc1aMqhLie7pF gAEGTi0LzqYAnH5pCh0r+zLpSrS5jc0gm6IJVUbcXr+dAFPrRHC9XZJ4SEkFkm2NHWPT zYj316VW8Xs6OPZjgHB8uJjBgyVr1ubWh9xjnGIFgCbdoAJIKr3ckPYe4rjnzk89ixeF 0dkA== Received: by 10.60.31.165 with SMTP id b5mr13607783oei.58.1345578014787; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:40:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.144.106 with HTTP; Tue, 21 Aug 2012 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Byron Nash Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012 15:39:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] OT: AME Match Source Attributes To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f64759b96c97504c7cbcbb8 --e89a8f64759b96c97504c7cbcbb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm with Robert, I don't get the Match Source on anything but what he listed. This is for both Mac & Windows. On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Glen Tubbesing wrote: > Just a heads up for everyone. Make sure you put that extra 'u' in studio > in Robert's link. I didn't the first time and got a 404 error. > > Glen Tubbesing > Caples Productions > Las Vegas, NV > > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > >> that sounds weird... >> >> Am i overlooking something really simple here that i have wanted in AME >> all these years? >> Are you seeing "match source" as an option for all quicktime codecs when >> entering the "export settings" dialog box? >> Is there really a difference in the win and mac versions of AME? >> >> I use FFMPEG and "Another GUI" as a frontend to generate Prores files, >> and it seems to work ok, no FCP user i have delivered to has complained yet >> :-) >> It doesn't make Prores output possible through any regular programs you >> have to do this extra step to convert the files, maybe Adobe could include >> FFMPEG as an encoder engine in AME someday :-) >> Only problem with this workflow is i can't get ffmpeg to encode excact >> colors in the Prores if my input file is a YUV file, it only seems to work >> 100% correct with RGB encoded input files, but maybe there is some obscure >> ffmpeg setting that i can't figure out how to use. >> Heres a link to any windows user who doesn't know this small program: >> http://www.stuudio.ee/anothergui/ >> >> >> >> Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday >> Mobil: 25 18 95 16 >> Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >> >> >> 2012/8/21 Jim Curtis >> >>> That you're on Windows may explain it. >>> >>> I have read of a method to encode to ProRes on Windows, but it requires >>> a third-party app, and some hoop-jumping, IIRC. So, I presume even with >>> this software installed, you wouldn't see ProRes as an export option in >>> AME, Ae or Pr. >>> >>> What about AVI? Isn't that available as a Match Source option? >>> >>> I just tried Avid Meridian Compressed, as an experiment, as a Preview >>> option, and Match Settings works for Export there, too. >>> >>> I'm on Mac, BTW. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: >>> >>> hmmmm.... >>> >>> i just checked here again.... i only get the "Automatic (based on >>> source)" option on the different properties on the following formats: >>> MPEG2 Blu-ray >>> MPEG2-DVD >>> H.264 Blu-ray (Legacy) >>> FLV >>> F4V >>> ...the two last there is only the framerate that you can take from >>> source, but it automaticly takes the size from source, then you have to >>> check a box to force it to resize. Another inconsistency in AME. >>> I am on a windows machine so i don't have access to the Prores encode >>> presets, but none of my quicktime codecs has the option to use the source >>> attributes. ? >>> >>> >>> Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday >>> Mobil: 25 18 95 16 >>> Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >>> >>> >>> 2012/8/21 Jim Curtis >>> >>>> Robert, I use ProRes as a Preview format, and Match Source Attributes >>>> is available to me. >>>> >>>> Byron, to your OP, once you change anything, you're not matching source >>>> attributes any longer. So, there's your answer. >>>> >>>> It's easy to make presets. Just pick an export format that contains >>>> the codec you want, modify anything else, and save it. >>>> >>>> Presets sort alphanumerically, so that's something I keep in mind when >>>> naming them. Putting the most used ones at the top saves a bit of time. >>>> Consistent naming methods keep everything grouped nicely, and minimize my >>>> searching for the one I want. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I think it is only mpeg2 that has the "match source attributes" >>>> setting, which is a shame since it could be nice to have in every format... >>>> AME could use a good cleanup in making the settings for the different >>>> formats more alike. Some has bitrate in Kbps others in more useful Mbps, >>>> some has a framerate setting, some don't. >>>> And the "Filters"tab should just be removed and replaced with a >>>> effectpreset independent of the encodesettings, so you could add different >>>> effects to a clip, like add black leadin/leadout, adjust volume, apply a >>>> LUT, timecode burnin, etc... >>>> >>>> >>>> Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday >>>> Mobil: 25 18 95 16 >>>> Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >>>> >>>> >>>> 2012/8/21 Byron Nash >>>> >>>>> Sorry for the OT, I haven't been able to find an answer to this and >>>>> usually assume if this list doesn't know, it's the end of the road. ;-) >>>>> >>>>> Some of the presets in Adobe Media Encoder(CS6 here) have "Match >>>>> Source Attributes" for the size, frame rate, etc.. I would like to make >>>>> some presets that convert footage to other formats without changing the >>>>> size and frame rate. I see no way to set values to "Match Source" when >>>>> making a preset. Looks like I would have to create presets for every size I >>>>> might run into. Has anyone found a good workaround for this? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Byron >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > --e89a8f64759b96c97504c7cbcbb8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm with Robert, I don't get the Match Source on anything but what = he listed. This is for both Mac & Windows.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Glen Tubbesing <= ;gtubbesing@gmail= .com> wrote:
Just a heads up for everyone. =A0Make sure y= ou put that extra 'u' in studio in Robert's link. =A0I didn'= ;t the first time and got a 404 error.

Glen Tubbesing
Caples Productions
Las Vegas, NV


On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 10:03 AM= , Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk> wrote:
that sounds weird...

Am i overlooking something really simple here that i have wanted in = AME all these years?=A0
Are you seeing "match source" as an option for all quicktime= codecs when entering the "export settings" dialog box?
Is there really a difference in the win and mac versions of AME?
=

I use FFMPEG and "Another GUI" as a frontend to ge= nerate Prores files, and it seems to work ok, no FCP user i have delivered = to has complained yet :-)
It doesn't make Prores output possible through any regular programs you= have to do this extra step to convert the files, maybe Adobe could include= FFMPEG as an encoder engine in AME someday :-)
Only problem with t= his workflow is i can't get ffmpeg to encode excact colors in the Prore= s if my input file is a YUV file, it only seems to work 100% correct with R= GB encoded input files, but maybe there is some obscure ffmpeg setting that= i can't figure out how to use.
Heres a link to any windows user who doesn't know this small progr= am:



Robert= Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk


2012/8/21 Jim Curtis &= lt;jpcurtis@me.com= >
That you're on Windows may explain = it. =A0

I have read of a method to encode to ProRes on W= indows, but it requires a third-party app, and some hoop-jumping, IIRC. =A0= So, I presume even with this software installed, you wouldn't see ProRe= s as an export option in AME, Ae or Pr.

What about AVI? =A0Isn't that available as a Match = Source option?

I just tried Avid Meridian Compress= ed, as an experiment, as a Preview option, and Match Settings works for Exp= ort there, too.

I'm on Mac, BTW.



On Aug 21, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Robert Kjettrup= wrote:

hmmmm....=A0

i just checked here again.... i only get the "Automatic (ba= sed on source)" option on the different properties on the following fo= rmats:
MPEG2 Blu-ray
MPEG2-DVD
H.264 Blu-ray (Legacy)
FLV
F4V
...the tw= o last there is only the framerate that you can take from source, but it au= tomaticly takes the size from source, then you have to check a box to force= it to resize. Another inconsistency in AME.
I am on a windows machine so i don't have access to the Prores enc= ode presets, but none of my quicktime codecs has the option to use the sour= ce attributes. ?


Robert Kjettrup= / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk


2012/8/21 Jim Curtis &= lt;jpcurtis@me.com= >
Robert, I use ProRes as a Preview forma= t, and Match Source Attributes is available to me.

Byron= , to your OP, once you change anything, you're not matching source attr= ibutes any longer. =A0So, there's your answer.

It's easy to make presets. =A0Just pick an export f= ormat that contains the codec you want, modify anything else, and save it. = =A0

Presets sort alphanumerically, so that's s= omething I keep in mind when naming them. =A0Putting the most used ones at = the top saves a bit of time. =A0Consistent naming methods keep everything g= rouped nicely, and minimize my searching for the one I want.



On Aug 21, 2012,= at 10:02 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote:

Hi

I think it is only mpeg2 that has the "match source attr= ibutes" setting, which is a shame since it could be nice to have in ev= ery format... AME could use a good cleanup in making the settings for the d= ifferent formats more alike. Some has bitrate in Kbps others in more useful= Mbps, some has a framerate setting, some don't.
And the "Filters"tab should just be removed and replaced with= a effectpreset independent of the encodesettings, so you could add differe= nt effects to a clip, like add black leadin/leadout, adjust volume, apply a= LUT, timecode burnin, etc...


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
= Mail: robert@stvma= yday.dk


2012/8/21 Byron Nash &= lt;byronnash@gmail= .com>
Sorry for the OT, I haven't been able to find an answer to this and usu= ally assume if this list doesn't know, it's the end of the road. ;-= )

Some of the presets in Adobe Media Encoder(CS6 here) h= ave "Match Source Attributes" for the size, frame rate, etc.. I w= ould like to make some presets that convert footage to other formats withou= t changing the size and frame rate. I see no way to set values to "Mat= ch Source"=A0when making a preset. Looks like I would have to create p= resets for every size I might run into. Has anyone found a good workaround = for this?

Thanks,
Byron







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