Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4843003 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:17:33 +0200 Received: by obhx4 with SMTP id x4so1729423obh.28 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:18:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=JMu3u7NOgSexc+L9cpxScj1Vr4d5FnX5csljkTEaojw=; b=ks/DhskshxeR4xhx+rBla8yMIkLVDSrgOhsf/g0u1P4SYYQGgamU38WDWDc2sN3NkH dnNrAYNuPQMmnOQQ18ndS7Pe6+8bGjBVluumEWi+nT2wbAMU9y98EX8z7mb2M54NOFYh Jtb2qv2ZlzWspcqkcqKoFAUH3JqhBRpeER/kEqQVEcxBD3o43sTVKsXsvMJyP4u8R1sW fuIRhzfVG7zasj8Vly5FXoIKNLR8pvP4uAyPVJx4tAAd9B9z9cvsOVr+Q+h3D5m3emtJ lrKKMp7xFfFkogZ2KYdlkVcQaDpnE8IsaKHxnkAgRXRZY97Eyw6w6nMYjZAvPbQLxP8V mNng== Received: by 10.182.76.164 with SMTP id l4mr20737744obw.65.1347409126678; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:18:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.92.165 with HTTP; Tue, 11 Sep 2012 17:18:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Nathan Shipley Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2012 19:18:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044787af5ce14f04c97622d9 --f46d044787af5ce14f04c97622d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if there's any way to create a depth map and blur as a post process for those without acceptable video cards? (Or cobble one together with some environment fog or something.) Not nearly as expensive as true 3D DoF, and usually fine. I think I've only rendered a few shots from Maya in the last 4 years where I've actually needed to use true 3D DoF. Frischluft Depth Of Field in AE and a depth pass is often nice. (zBlur in Nuke is even better -- looks great, easy to dial in, and fast. I think it's one of the few post-process DoF plugins I've seen that doesn't have major problems with objects overlapping at different depths. But I digress...) Seems like a moot point if you've got a good video card, but just a thought for those without. I still haven't gotten into 3D in After Effects so I'm not sure if what I'm suggesting is possible or feasible. A thought, though... - Nathan On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: > No, I'd be insane to attempt doing a proper commercial project that way. > > This was just a bit of experimentation on my home machine. I'd just > bought CS6 and was playing around with the new features, I didn't know > until I hit the render button that it would take 55 minutes a frame! > > It's a very simple project, I'll bring it into work and see how the rende= r > times compare on a MacPro with a Quadro 4000. > > -Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: Teddy Gage [mailto:teddygage@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 08:17 AM > To: 'After Effects Mail List' > Subject: Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D > > you're insane. that would have probably taken less than an hour on a new > machine. and for under $1000 if you went pc. just saying... > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: > > > Oh now I have render envy. > > I have an iMac that's over 4 years old, obviously no approved nVidia ca= rd > > in it. I was playing around with CS6 to produce this tutorial: > > > > > > > http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/motiongraphicsvizfx/story/create_a= nd_animate_3d_cogs_in_after_effects_-_part_11/ > > > > The render times were about 55 minutes a frame, for a 640x360 comp with= a > > quality of about 8. It took a few days of rendering just to generate > the 5 > > second 3D animation. > > It's just too painful to consider using the ray tracer without an > approved > > card... > > The only hassle now is to decide how to upgrade. That's a whole other > > discussion... > > > > On 12/09/2012, at 5:02 AM, Rick wrote: > > > > Thank you very much. Render times for this comp with Ray Tracing set to= 6 > > in a 16 bit project 1920x1080 went from 96 seconds per frame to 3 > seconds. > > > > Rick Emery > > www.rickemery.com > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* rendernyc > > *To:* Rick > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:36 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D > > > > you just have to add the 670 to the raytracer_supported_cards.txt > > > > On OSX you have to =93show package contents=94 of the AE app and then > > navigate to =93Support Files=94 folder > > > > Then add GeForce GTX 670 > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > Crap. Just checked. On the 670 system, GPU is grayed out and says > > 'incompatible device or display driver'. On the system with the 680 GP= U > is > > available. Looks like someone is losing their 680 tonight. It's good > being > > the only one in graphics with admin rights for the boxes. (-; > > > > Thanks for the help. I was doing something wrong. Trying to save > $150.00. > > > > > > Rick Emery > > www.rickemery.com > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* rendernyc > > *To:* After Effects Mail List ; Rick < > > a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:09 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D > > > > wait, u have CUDA cards and you know that they are working and its stil= l > > dreadfully slow? > > are they showing up in the AE Prefs->Previews->GPU??? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Rick wrote: > > > > I've got a GTX 680 in one box and a GTX 670 in my box. I got the 680 on > > the recommendation of Todd K. When I built this new box, I had a set > > budget and got the 670 in order to get a little more ram. When the othe= r > > artist leaves tonight, I'll swap out the cards and see what difference = it > > makes. > > > > My system. > > HP z620 > > 12 core 2.3ghz > > 32GBs ram > > CS 6 Production Premium running on SSD > > EVGA GTX670 2GB ram the other card is EVGA GTX 680 3GB ram. > > > > Rick Emery > > www.rickemery.com > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Jim Curtis > > *To:* After Effects Mail List > > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:35 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D > > > > My personal experience is that even with a Quadro 4000 for Mac, raytrac= e > > rendering in Ae is unusably slow. YMMV. > > > > I bought the card for Pr, where it kicks some serious ass. > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > danny princz > > > > exposedideas.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > danny princz > > > > exposedideas.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn > > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --f46d044787af5ce14f04c97622d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder if there's any way to create a depth map and blur as a post pr= ocess for those without acceptable video cards?=A0 (Or cobble one together = with some environment fog or something.)=A0 Not nearly as expensive as true= 3D DoF, and usually fine.=A0 I think I've only rendered a few shots fr= om Maya in the last 4 years where I've actually needed to use true 3D D= oF.=A0 Frischluft Depth Of Field in AE and a depth pass is often nice.

(zBlur in Nuke is even better -- looks great, easy to dial in, and fast= .=A0 I think it's one of the few post-process DoF plugins I've seen= that doesn't have major problems with objects overlapping at different= depths.=A0 But I digress...)

Seems like a moot point if you've got a good video card, but just a= thought for those without.=A0 I still haven't gotten into 3D in After = Effects so I'm not sure if what I'm suggesting is possible or feasi= ble.=A0 A thought, though...

- Nathan

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:56= PM, Chris Zwar <chris@chriszwar.com> wrote:
No, I'd be insane to attempt doing a proper commercial project that way= .

This was just a bit of experimentation on my home machine. =A0I'd just = bought CS6 and was playing around with the new features, I didn't know = until I hit the render button that it would take 55 minutes a frame!

It's a very simple project, I'll bring it into work and see how the= render times compare on a MacPro with a Quadro 4000.

-Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Teddy Gage [mailto:teddygage@g= mail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 08:17 AM
To: 'After Effects Mail List'
Subject: Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D

you're insane. that would have probably taken l= ess than an hour on a new
machine. and for under $1000 if you went pc. just saying...

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:37 PM, Chris Zwar <chris@chriszwar.com> wrote:

> Oh now I have render envy.
> I have an iMac that's over 4 years old, obviously no approved nVid= ia card
> in it. =A0I was playing around with CS6 to produce this tutorial:
>
>
> http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/motiongraphicsvizfx/story/creat= e_and_animate_3d_cogs_in_after_effects_-_part_11/
>
> The render times were about 55 minutes a frame, for a 640x360 comp wit= h a
> quality of about 8. =A0It took a few days of rendering just to generat= e the 5
> second 3D animation.
> It's just too painful to consider using the ray tracer without an = approved
> card...
> The only hassle now is to decide how to upgrade. =A0That's a whole= other
> discussion...
>
> On 12/09/2012, at 5:02 AM, Rick wrote:
>
> Thank you very much. Render times for this comp with Ray Tracing set t= o 6
> in a 16 bit project 1920x1080 went from 96 seconds per frame to 3 seco= nds.
>
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.c= om
> =A0 =A0------------------------------
> *From:* rendernyc <rendernyc= @gmail.com>
> *To:* Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.= com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:36 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D
>
> you just have to add the 670 to the =A0raytracer_supported_cards.txt >
> On OSX you have to =93show package contents=94 =A0of the AE app and th= en
> navigate to =93Support Files=94 folder
>
> Then add GeForce GTX 670
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Crap. Just checked. On the 670 system, GPU is grayed out and says
> 'incompatible device or display driver'. =A0On the system with= the 680 GPU is
> available. Looks like someone is losing their 680 tonight. It's go= od being
> the only one in graphics with admin rights for the boxes. (-;
>
> Thanks for the help. =A0I was doing something wrong. Trying to save $1= 50.00.
>
>
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.c= om
> =A0 =A0------------------------------
> *From:* rendernyc <rendernyc= @gmail.com>
> *To:* After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>; Rick <
> a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 2:09 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D
>
> wait, u have CUDA cards and you know that they are working and its sti= ll
> dreadfully slow?
> are they showing up in the AE Prefs->Previews->GPU???
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Rick <a_pmb_fan@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I've got a GTX 680 in one box and a GTX 670 in my box. I got the 6= 80 on
> the recommendation of Todd K. =A0When I built this new box, I had a se= t
> budget and got the 670 in order to get a little more ram. When the oth= er
> artist leaves tonight, I'll swap out the cards and see what differ= ence it
> makes.
>
> My system.
> HP z620
> 12 core 2.3ghz
> 32GBs ram
> CS 6 Production Premium running on SSD
> EVGA GTX670 2GB ram =A0the other card is EVGA GTX 680 3GB ram.
>
> Rick Emery
> www.rickemery.c= om
> =A0 ------------------------------
> *From:* Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.= com>
> *To:* After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 1:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AE] CS6 new 3D
>
> My personal experience is that even with a Quadro 4000 for Mac, raytra= ce
> rendering in Ae is unusably slow. =A0YMMV.
>
> I bought the card for Pr, where it kicks some serious ass.
>
>
> .
>
>
>
>
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