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[71.63.186.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gz10sm3771782igc.9.2012.09.26.15.50.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Carey Dissmore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DDD999EA-2003-4824-99AA-C7BC8CF70DB8" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.1 \(1498\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Decklink extreme 3D rampreview support + SDI monitors Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:50:10 -0500 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1498) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnPM6x3HFlatZXgGUOif61fuD1EAFRTri8UNXL1xkwuFZb3Qh2S+TYNXDnl8sqXKsQx2u6n --Apple-Mail=_DDD999EA-2003-4824-99AA-C7BC8CF70DB8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I run the Decklink HD Extreme 3D card on an older (but very upgraded) = Mac Pro 3,1 along with a Quadro FX 4800 on displays and a Quadro 4000 on = headless GPU grunt. I also run the EXCELLENT Flanders LM-2461W monitor = on it. In AE, the card displays 16 bit and 32 bit comps just fine, but on this = output it you get choices of 8 bit, 10 bit or RGB. I choose RGB in 16 & = 32bpc comps.=20 RAM Preview: When I engage the hardware for RAM previews I get reduced = frame rates. I think that is the fault of my Mac itself and not the = card. That generates a lot more bus traffic to send the image out the = card and I don't think this mac can handle it. In the next few weeks I = am going to be building a new PC that should have substantially more = horsepower and will be moving the BMD card and the Flanders to that new = system so I can report back at that time.=20 If you are interested, here's my review of the Flanders I did on my blog = last spring: http://www.careydissmore.com/?p=3D207 All the best, Carey On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert Kjettrup = wrote: > Yes, thats the monitor we had for review, and it is looking really = amazing. So good that i know of some who have dismissed it as being too = good to evaluate what the picture would look like on a more "normal" = screen :-D > But this PVM version doesn't have 3Gbps SDI or 4:4:4 input as the = Flanders? > And the interlace processor is not that good on the PVM sony, not that = this is a problem for me, but for others in our company it might be. We = would like to standardise on one brand. > Do you have a problem with the OLED "flicker" on this model? some had = an issue with this when we had the review monitor, some didn't see it. I = didn't, might be because of me having gone past the 35th birthday = :-)...getting older... >=20 > I would love to have this Sony monitor at my desk :-) >=20 >=20 > Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday > Mobil: 25 18 95 16 > Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >=20 >=20 > 2012/9/26 Brian Higgins > Sony PVM 24" OLEDs are amazing, and cost a only little more than the = Flanders you mentioned. > = http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-PVM2541= / >=20 > The features probably don't line up exactly with the Flanders, but at = least take a look and see if it works for you. The $1k/inch BVMs are = the same panels with fancier processing on the back end to cover things = like XYZ space for DI mastering that you might not need. I've had a PVM = on my desk for the last 6 months or so and have been very, very happy = with it for broadcast work. >=20 > $.02, > Brian >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup = wrote: > Hi >=20 > I am reseaching a bit on what SDI card to get for a new AE = workstation, and don't get any positive answers from Blackmagic on what = support the Decklink Extreme 3D has in After Effects and thought maybe = some here on the list uses this card and could give some more detailed = feedback. >=20 > Can this card play back rampreview from AE in realtime in 16 and 32bit = projects to a SDI monitor? My current outdated legacy AJA card = (KONA/XENA LH) cant playback 1080/25p 16bit projects in realtime and = 32bit projects is just a bunch of scrambled mess on the SDI output. AJA = gives some very vague feedback that this card is not supported anymore = and the new cards are "updated", but nothing about the new cards being = able to handle 16/32bit projects. >=20 > We are also about to change all our old trusty SD CRT Barco reference = monitors to something more current (about time!) and i have suggested we = should go with Flanders Sci. LM2461W. Is this also in here seen as the = best vs. value monitor?=20 > We have had a Sony OLED monitor for review, and it is absolutely = fantastic, but a bit pricy if you want the same options as the Flanders. > Does anyone have the TVlogic XVM series? >=20 > hope this is not too Off Topic for the list? >=20 >=20 > Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday > Mobil: 25 18 95 16 > Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > brian higgins | creative director > Sol Design > 312.706.5500=20 > higgins@soldesignfx.com > soldesignfx.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_DDD999EA-2003-4824-99AA-C7BC8CF70DB8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I run = the Decklink HD Extreme 3D card on an older (but very upgraded) Mac Pro = 3,1 along with a Quadro FX 4800 on displays and a Quadro 4000 on = headless GPU grunt. I also run the EXCELLENT Flanders LM-2461W monitor = on it.

In AE, the card displays 16 bit and 32 bit = comps just fine, but on this output it you get choices of 8 bit, 10 bit = or RGB. I choose RGB in 16 & 32bpc = comps. 

RAM Preview: When I engage the = hardware for RAM previews I get reduced frame rates. I think that is the = fault of my Mac itself and not the card. That generates a lot more bus = traffic to send the image out the card and I don't think this mac can = handle it. In the next few weeks I am going to be building a new PC that = should have substantially more horsepower and will be moving the BMD = card and the Flanders to that new system so I can report back at that = time. 

If you are interested, here's my = review of the Flanders I did on my blog last = spring:


All the = best,
Carey


On Sep 26, = 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk> = wrote:

Yes, thats the monitor we had for review, and it is = looking really amazing. So good that i know of some who have dismissed = it as being too good to evaluate what the picture would look like on a = more "normal" screen :-D
But this PVM version doesn't have 3Gbps SDI or 4:4:4 input as the = Flanders?
And the interlace processor is not that good on the = PVM sony, not that this is a problem for me, but for others in our = company it might be. We would like to standardise on one brand.
Do you have a problem with the OLED "flicker" on this model? some = had an issue with this when we had the review monitor, some didn't see = it. I didn't, might be because of me having gone past the 35th birthday = :-)...getting older...

I would love to have this Sony monitor at my desk = :-)


Robert Kjettrup / = Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk


2012/9/26 Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com>
Sony PVM 24" OLEDs are amazing, and cost a only little more than the = Flanders you mentioned.
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonito= rs/product-PVM2541/

The features probably don't line up exactly with the Flanders, but = at least take a look and see if it works for you.  The $1k/inch = BVMs are the same panels with fancier processing on the back end to = cover things like XYZ space for DI mastering that you might not = need.  I've had a PVM on my desk for the last 6 months or so and = have been very, very happy with it for broadcast work.

$.02,
Brian



On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup = <robert@stvmayday.dk> wrote:
Hi

I am reseaching = a bit on what SDI card to get for a new AE workstation, and don't get = any positive answers from Blackmagic on what support the Decklink = Extreme 3D has in After Effects and thought maybe some here on the list = uses this card and could give some more detailed feedback.

Can this card play back rampreview from AE in = realtime in 16 and 32bit projects to a SDI monitor? My current outdated = legacy AJA card (KONA/XENA LH) cant playback 1080/25p 16bit projects in = realtime and 32bit projects is just a bunch of scrambled mess on the SDI = output. AJA gives some very vague feedback that this card is not = supported anymore and the new cards are "updated", but nothing about the = new cards being able to handle 16/32bit projects.

We are also about to change all our old trusty SD = CRT Barco reference monitors to something more current (about time!) and = i have suggested we should go with Flanders Sci. LM2461W. Is this also = in here seen as the best vs. value monitor? 
We have had a Sony OLED monitor for review, and it is absolutely = fantastic, but a bit pricy if you want the same options as the = Flanders.
Does anyone have the TVlogic XVM = series?

hope this is not too Off Topic for the = list?


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV = Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk



--
brian higgins | = creative director
Sol =  Design
soldesignfx.com





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