Return-Path: Received: from mail-vc0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4858176 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:59:04 +0200 Received: by vcbfl17 with SMTP id fl17so1828038vcb.28 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 03:00:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=u7BsxAIF92ujdvWXMgFLcfe31RwK7Etwf4nnVpT7/MA=; b=iTPoEQ5nTzWdLOUme2IkbGlj0k4QXUtL9mT2xDhuc/4uAFWVOEhsiuLicKz2NRpCLl Xc3s9CVs9hSpFDa48YHOmWO4PjbQy3Muuu3eB7mkJVhcqZzJ2nup5gjr2sNFD9Cihn3/ k19jBhgb74MLt6d/CSz1HS1WmMmy95hUih8ofcpdFrR82IjKpC/FGsiWsxdQI2muyjS5 uErcq0NLHvDq2/s6Y7t2LDemfOmOfecjrCMkEVKiSqrsmehSWmCPcvz2t7Y2srys/Cfz cvyyCyVCAjVFVq/QWpC6l+Ki2IDQdLipMO+VwXKyOD4wm/fFSqQZ6lLcBLsmArcAxS5h Odpw== Received: by 10.58.247.165 with SMTP id yf5mr1962211vec.50.1348740047393; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 03:00:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.18.212 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 03:00:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert Kjettrup Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 12:00:27 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Decklink extreme 3D rampreview support + SDI monitors To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0f14e6b52fc04caac0312 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlsa+sGS5EU6/xj+CoQSYDGvilvtVTDffeCE6bp9BT1Ws6sgIk2ayN2ZGXqVp9vl618zVOG --047d7bf0f14e6b52fc04caac0312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for the feedback on AE output via the Decklink. That isn't very encouraging that you can't either playback 16/32bit rampreviews in realtime :-( I have an aging HP XW8400 (the same generation hardware as the first macpro 8 cores) and i also suspect it is my hardware that might be the cause of the low framerate in 16bit projects when i have the SDI output active. Hopefully a new Z820 will do better, the memory bandwidth should be many times faster :-) ..or maybe there is a change needed in AE to do the conversion before sending it to the card, Mercury Transmit in After Effects? I have send the link for your excellent review of the Flanders monitor to the relevant people here at the company. Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / Mayday Film Mobil: 25 18 95 16 Mail: robert@maydayfilm.dk www.maydayfilm.dk 2012/9/27 Carey Dissmore > I run the Decklink HD Extreme 3D card on an older (but very upgraded) Mac > Pro 3,1 along with a Quadro FX 4800 on displays and a Quadro 4000 on > headless GPU grunt. I also run the EXCELLENT Flanders LM-2461W monitor on > it. > > In AE, the card displays 16 bit and 32 bit comps just fine, but on this > output it you get choices of 8 bit, 10 bit or RGB. I choose RGB in 16 & > 32bpc comps. > > RAM Preview: When I engage the hardware for RAM previews I get reduced > frame rates. I think that is the fault of my Mac itself and not the card. > That generates a lot more bus traffic to send the image out the card and I > don't think this mac can handle it. In the next few weeks I am going to be > building a new PC that should have substantially more horsepower and will > be moving the BMD card and the Flanders to that new system so I can report > back at that time. > > If you are interested, here's my review of the Flanders I did on my blog > last spring: > > http://www.careydissmore.com/?p=207 > > All the best, > Carey > > > On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > > Yes, thats the monitor we had for review, and it is looking really > amazing. So good that i know of some who have dismissed it as being too > good to evaluate what the picture would look like on a more "normal" screen > :-D > But this PVM version doesn't have 3Gbps SDI or 4:4:4 input as the Flanders? > And the interlace processor is not that good on the PVM sony, not that > this is a problem for me, but for others in our company it might be. We > would like to standardise on one brand. > Do you have a problem with the OLED "flicker" on this model? some had an > issue with this when we had the review monitor, some didn't see it. I > didn't, might be because of me having gone past the 35th birthday > :-)...getting older... > > I would love to have this Sony monitor at my desk :-) > > > Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday > Mobil: 25 18 95 16 > Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk > > > 2012/9/26 Brian Higgins > >> Sony PVM 24" OLEDs are amazing, and cost a only little more than the >> Flanders you mentioned. >> >> http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-PVM2541/ >> >> The features probably don't line up exactly with the Flanders, but at >> least take a look and see if it works for you. The $1k/inch BVMs are the >> same panels with fancier processing on the back end to cover things like >> XYZ space for DI mastering that you might not need. I've had a PVM on my >> desk for the last 6 months or so and have been very, very happy with it for >> broadcast work. >> >> $.02, >> Brian >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> I am reseaching a bit on what SDI card to get for a new AE workstation, >>> and don't get any positive answers from Blackmagic on what support the >>> Decklink Extreme 3D has in After Effects and thought maybe some here on the >>> list uses this card and could give some more detailed feedback. >>> >>> Can this card play back rampreview from AE in realtime in 16 and 32bit >>> projects to a SDI monitor? My current outdated legacy AJA card (KONA/XENA >>> LH) cant playback 1080/25p 16bit projects in realtime and 32bit projects is >>> just a bunch of scrambled mess on the SDI output. AJA gives some very vague >>> feedback that this card is not supported anymore and the new cards are >>> "updated", but nothing about the new cards being able to handle 16/32bit >>> projects. >>> >>> We are also about to change all our old trusty SD CRT Barco reference >>> monitors to something more current (about time!) and i have suggested we >>> should go with Flanders Sci. LM2461W. Is this also in here seen as the best >>> vs. value monitor? >>> We have had a Sony OLED monitor for review, and it is absolutely >>> fantastic, but a bit pricy if you want the same options as the Flanders. >>> Does anyone have the TVlogic XVM series? >>> >>> hope this is not too Off Topic for the list? >>> >>> >>> Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday >>> Mobil: 25 18 95 16 >>> Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> brian higgins | creative director >> Sol Design >> 312.706.5500 >> higgins@soldesignfx.com >> soldesignfx.com >> >> >> >> > > > --047d7bf0f14e6b52fc04caac0312 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the feedback on AE output via the Decklink. That isn't very = encouraging that you can't either playback 16/32bit rampreviews in real= time :-(
I=A0have=A0an aging HP XW8400 (the same generation hardwar= e as the first macpro 8 cores) and i also suspect it is my hardware that mi= ght be the cause of the low framerate in 16bit projects when i have the SDI= output active. Hopefully a new Z820 will do better, the memory bandwidth s= hould be many times faster :-)
..or maybe there is a change needed in AE to do the conversion before = sending it to the card, Mercury Transmit in After Effects?

I have send the link for your excellent review of the Flanders mon= itor to the relevant people here at the company.


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / Mayday Film=
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail:=A0robert@maydayfilm.dk




2012/9/27 Carey Dissmore <carey@imug= online.com>
I run the Decklink HD Extreme 3D card o= n an older (but very upgraded) Mac Pro 3,1 along with a Quadro FX 4800 on d= isplays and a Quadro 4000 on headless GPU grunt. I also run the EXCELLENT F= landers LM-2461W monitor on it.

In AE, the card displays 16 bit and 32 bit comps just fine, = but on this output it you get choices of 8 bit, 10 bit or RGB. I choose RGB= in 16 & 32bpc comps.=A0

RAM Preview: When I e= ngage the hardware for RAM previews I get reduced frame rates. I think that= is the fault of my Mac itself and not the card. That generates a lot more = bus traffic to send the image out the card and I don't think this mac c= an handle it. In the next few weeks I am going to be building a new PC that= should have substantially more horsepower and will be moving the BMD card = and the Flanders to that new system so I can report back at that time.=A0

If you are interested, here's my review of the Flan= ders I did on my blog last spring:


All the best,
Carey

=
On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert Kj= ettrup <robert@= stvmayday.dk> wrote:

Yes, thats= the monitor we had for review, and it is looking really amazing. So good t= hat i know of some who have dismissed it as being too good to evaluate what= the picture would look like on a more "normal" screen :-D
But this PVM version doesn't have 3Gbps SDI or 4:4:4 input as the Fland= ers?
And the interlace processor is not that good on the PVM sony= , not that this is a problem for me, but for others in our company it might= be. We would like to standardise on one brand.
Do you have a problem with the OLED "flicker" on this model?= some had an issue with this when we had the review monitor, some didn'= t see it. I didn't, might be because of me having gone past the 35th bi= rthday :-)...getting older...

I would love to have this Sony monitor at my desk :-)


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk<= /a>


2012/9/26 Brian Higgins <higgins@soldesignfx.com>
Sony PVM 24" OLEDs are amazing, and cost a only little more than the F= landers you mentioned.
http://pro.sony.co= m/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-PVM2541/

The features probably don't line up exactly with the Flanders, but = at least take a look and see if it works for you.=A0 The $1k/inch BVMs are = the same panels with fancier processing on the back end to cover things lik= e XYZ space for DI mastering that you might not need.=A0 I've had a PVM= on my desk for the last 6 months or so and have been very, very happy with= it for broadcast work.

$.02,
Brian



On Wed, = Sep 26, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk> wrote:
Hi

I am reseac= hing a bit on what SDI card to get for a new AE workstation, and don't = get any positive answers from Blackmagic on what support the Decklink Extre= me 3D has in After Effects and thought maybe some here on the list uses thi= s card and could give some more detailed feedback.

Can this card play back rampreview from AE in realtime = in 16 and 32bit projects to a SDI monitor? My current outdated legacy AJA c= ard (KONA/XENA LH) cant playback 1080/25p 16bit projects in realtime and 32= bit projects is just a bunch of scrambled mess on the SDI output. AJA gives= some very vague feedback that this card is not supported anymore and the n= ew cards are "updated", but nothing about the new cards being abl= e to handle 16/32bit projects.

We are also about to change all our old trusty SD CRT B= arco reference monitors to something more current (about time!) and i have = suggested we should go with Flanders Sci. LM2461W. Is this also in here see= n as the best vs. value monitor?=A0
We have had a Sony OLED monitor for review, and it is absolutely fanta= stic, but a bit pricy if you want the same options as the Flanders.
Does anyone have the TVlogic XVM series?

hope t= his is not too Off Topic for the list?


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV MaydayMobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk



-- <= br>
bri= an higgins | creative director
Sol =A0Design






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