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[71.63.186.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m4sm8577461qak.6.2012.09.27.05.54.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Carey Dissmore Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_583164D0-E315-42F5-9776-39BAE2BD2F45" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.1 \(1498\)) Subject: Re: [AE] Decklink extreme 3D rampreview support + SDI monitors Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 07:54:50 -0500 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1498) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQldJKHNgOP5olhzNd6pBePTLvfESyqg32DzIMS+ibUnRiV6NyH2NnFXIbnQ1UaXom9Ccpbq --Apple-Mail=_583164D0-E315-42F5-9776-39BAE2BD2F45 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You're welcome. I just got an email from Flanders this morning (as paste from it is = copied below). They have a new free firmware update for 12 bit support. = I'll have to do this update in a few days as my current project load = comes first.=20 Carey What's Been Added: 12 bit RGB & YCbCr signal support & 12 bit processing* Record Status Tally Feature. Allows the monitor to read Start/Stop = Record Flags in the SDI ancillary data of compatible cameras and to = indicate when the camera is recording by activating the monitor's red = tally light. ARRI Alexa and Sony cameras with this feature enabled are = currently supported. New function button access to Log monitoring modes for faster single = button press activation of Log monitoring modes introduced in the = previous firmware release. BETA support of 12 bit XYZ format signals*=20 Current owners of FSI monitors can download the latest firmware from our = update site http://www.flandersscientific.com/index/Firmware_Updates = where more detailed release notes can also be found. An updated user = manual is also available: = http://www.flandersscientific.com/uploads/FSIUserManual.pdf =20 *12 bit signal support requires your monitor to be equipped with 3Gbps = SDI inputs, which are provided as standard equipment on all current 9" = and larger FSI Monitors.=20 On Sep 27, 2012, at 5:00 AM, Robert Kjettrup = wrote: > Thanks for the feedback on AE output via the Decklink. That isn't very = encouraging that you can't either playback 16/32bit rampreviews in = realtime :-( > I have an aging HP XW8400 (the same generation hardware as the first = macpro 8 cores) and i also suspect it is my hardware that might be the = cause of the low framerate in 16bit projects when i have the SDI output = active. Hopefully a new Z820 will do better, the memory bandwidth should = be many times faster :-) > ..or maybe there is a change needed in AE to do the conversion before = sending it to the card, Mercury Transmit in After Effects? >=20 > I have send the link for your excellent review of the Flanders monitor = to the relevant people here at the company. >=20 >=20 > Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / Mayday Film > Mobil: 25 18 95 16 > Mail: robert@maydayfilm.dk > www.maydayfilm.dk >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > 2012/9/27 Carey Dissmore > I run the Decklink HD Extreme 3D card on an older (but very upgraded) = Mac Pro 3,1 along with a Quadro FX 4800 on displays and a Quadro 4000 on = headless GPU grunt. I also run the EXCELLENT Flanders LM-2461W monitor = on it. >=20 > In AE, the card displays 16 bit and 32 bit comps just fine, but on = this output it you get choices of 8 bit, 10 bit or RGB. I choose RGB in = 16 & 32bpc comps.=20 >=20 > RAM Preview: When I engage the hardware for RAM previews I get reduced = frame rates. I think that is the fault of my Mac itself and not the = card. That generates a lot more bus traffic to send the image out the = card and I don't think this mac can handle it. In the next few weeks I = am going to be building a new PC that should have substantially more = horsepower and will be moving the BMD card and the Flanders to that new = system so I can report back at that time.=20 >=20 > If you are interested, here's my review of the Flanders I did on my = blog last spring: >=20 > http://www.careydissmore.com/?p=3D207 >=20 > All the best, > Carey >=20 >=20 > On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert Kjettrup = wrote: >=20 >> Yes, thats the monitor we had for review, and it is looking really = amazing. So good that i know of some who have dismissed it as being too = good to evaluate what the picture would look like on a more "normal" = screen :-D >> But this PVM version doesn't have 3Gbps SDI or 4:4:4 input as the = Flanders? >> And the interlace processor is not that good on the PVM sony, not = that this is a problem for me, but for others in our company it might = be. We would like to standardise on one brand. >> Do you have a problem with the OLED "flicker" on this model? some had = an issue with this when we had the review monitor, some didn't see it. I = didn't, might be because of me having gone past the 35th birthday = :-)...getting older... >>=20 >> I would love to have this Sony monitor at my desk :-) >>=20 >>=20 >> Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday >> Mobil: 25 18 95 16 >> Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >>=20 >>=20 >> 2012/9/26 Brian Higgins >> Sony PVM 24" OLEDs are amazing, and cost a only little more than the = Flanders you mentioned. >> = http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonitors/product-PVM2541= / >>=20 >> The features probably don't line up exactly with the Flanders, but at = least take a look and see if it works for you. The $1k/inch BVMs are = the same panels with fancier processing on the back end to cover things = like XYZ space for DI mastering that you might not need. I've had a PVM = on my desk for the last 6 months or so and have been very, very happy = with it for broadcast work. >>=20 >> $.02, >> Brian >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup = wrote: >> Hi >>=20 >> I am reseaching a bit on what SDI card to get for a new AE = workstation, and don't get any positive answers from Blackmagic on what = support the Decklink Extreme 3D has in After Effects and thought maybe = some here on the list uses this card and could give some more detailed = feedback. >>=20 >> Can this card play back rampreview from AE in realtime in 16 and = 32bit projects to a SDI monitor? My current outdated legacy AJA card = (KONA/XENA LH) cant playback 1080/25p 16bit projects in realtime and = 32bit projects is just a bunch of scrambled mess on the SDI output. AJA = gives some very vague feedback that this card is not supported anymore = and the new cards are "updated", but nothing about the new cards being = able to handle 16/32bit projects. >>=20 >> We are also about to change all our old trusty SD CRT Barco reference = monitors to something more current (about time!) and i have suggested we = should go with Flanders Sci. LM2461W. Is this also in here seen as the = best vs. value monitor?=20 >> We have had a Sony OLED monitor for review, and it is absolutely = fantastic, but a bit pricy if you want the same options as the Flanders. >> Does anyone have the TVlogic XVM series? >>=20 >> hope this is not too Off Topic for the list? >>=20 >>=20 >> Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday >> Mobil: 25 18 95 16 >> Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> brian higgins | creative director >> Sol Design >> 312.706.5500=20 >> higgins@soldesignfx.com >> soldesignfx.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_583164D0-E315-42F5-9776-39BAE2BD2F45 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 What's Been Added:
  • 12 bit RGB & YCbCr = signal support & 12 bit processing*
  • Record Status Tally Feature. Allows the = monitor to read Start/Stop Record Flags in the SDI ancillary data of = compatible cameras and to indicate when the camera is recording by = activating the monitor's red tally light. ARRI Alexa and Sony cameras = with this feature enabled are currently supported.
  • New function button = access to Log monitoring modes for faster single button press activation = of Log monitoring modes introduced in the previous firmware = release.
  • BETA = support of 12 bit XYZ format signals* 


Thanks for the feedback on AE output via the Decklink. = That isn't very encouraging that you can't either playback 16/32bit = rampreviews in realtime :-(
I have an aging HP XW8400 = (the same generation hardware as the first macpro 8 cores) and i also = suspect it is my hardware that might be the cause of the low framerate = in 16bit projects when i have the SDI output active. Hopefully a new = Z820 will do better, the memory bandwidth should be many times faster = :-)
..or maybe there is a change needed in AE to do the conversion = before sending it to the card, Mercury Transmit in After = Effects?

I have send the link for your = excellent review of the Flanders monitor to the relevant people here at = the company.


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / Mayday = Film
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@maydayfilm.dk




2012/9/27 Carey Dissmore <carey@imugonline.com>
I run the Decklink HD Extreme 3D = card on an older (but very upgraded) Mac Pro 3,1 along with a Quadro FX = 4800 on displays and a Quadro 4000 on headless GPU grunt. I also run the = EXCELLENT Flanders LM-2461W monitor on it.

In AE, the card displays 16 bit and 32 bit comps just = fine, but on this output it you get choices of 8 bit, 10 bit or RGB. I = choose RGB in 16 & 32bpc comps. 

RAM = Preview: When I engage the hardware for RAM previews I get reduced frame = rates. I think that is the fault of my Mac itself and not the card. That = generates a lot more bus traffic to send the image out the card and I = don't think this mac can handle it. In the next few weeks I am going to = be building a new PC that should have substantially more horsepower and = will be moving the BMD card and the Flanders to that new system so I can = report back at that time. 

If you are interested, here's my review of the = Flanders I did on my blog last spring:


All the = best,
Carey


On Sep 26, 2012, at 2:53 PM, Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk> wrote:

Yes, = thats the monitor we had for review, and it is looking really amazing. = So good that i know of some who have dismissed it as being too good to = evaluate what the picture would look like on a more "normal" screen = :-D
But this PVM version doesn't have 3Gbps SDI or 4:4:4 input as the = Flanders?
And the interlace processor is not that good on the = PVM sony, not that this is a problem for me, but for others in our = company it might be. We would like to standardise on one brand.
Do you have a problem with the OLED "flicker" on this model? some = had an issue with this when we had the review monitor, some didn't see = it. I didn't, might be because of me having gone past the 35th birthday = :-)...getting older...

I would love to have this Sony monitor at my desk = :-)


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 = 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk


2012/9/26 Brian Higgins = <higgins@soldesignfx.com>
Sony PVM 24" OLEDs are amazing, and cost a only little more than the = Flanders you mentioned.
http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/cat-monitors/cat-oledmonito= rs/product-PVM2541/

The features probably don't line up exactly with the Flanders, but = at least take a look and see if it works for you.  The $1k/inch = BVMs are the same panels with fancier processing on the back end to = cover things like XYZ space for DI mastering that you might not = need.  I've had a PVM on my desk for the last 6 months or so and = have been very, very happy with it for broadcast work.

$.02,
Brian



On Wed, = Sep 26, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Robert Kjettrup <robert@stvmayday.dk> wrote:
Hi

I am reseaching = a bit on what SDI card to get for a new AE workstation, and don't get = any positive answers from Blackmagic on what support the Decklink = Extreme 3D has in After Effects and thought maybe some here on the list = uses this card and could give some more detailed feedback.

Can this card play back rampreview from AE in = realtime in 16 and 32bit projects to a SDI monitor? My current outdated = legacy AJA card (KONA/XENA LH) cant playback 1080/25p 16bit projects in = realtime and 32bit projects is just a bunch of scrambled mess on the SDI = output. AJA gives some very vague feedback that this card is not = supported anymore and the new cards are "updated", but nothing about the = new cards being able to handle 16/32bit projects.

We are also about to change all our old trusty SD = CRT Barco reference monitors to something more current (about time!) and = i have suggested we should go with Flanders Sci. LM2461W. Is this also = in here seen as the best vs. value monitor? 
We have had a Sony OLED monitor for review, and it is absolutely = fantastic, but a bit pricy if you want the same options as the = Flanders.
Does anyone have the TVlogic XVM = series?

hope this is not too Off Topic for the = list?


Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV = Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk



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