Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f48.google.com ([209.85.216.48] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4862499 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:33:13 +0200 Received: by qadc11 with SMTP id c11so1817307qad.7 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:35:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=AZOJrzsox3Pni0jgw6UZvx3gpwvylfC9oYL5N0wFQNk=; b=ajaVsp5mqHTw9+S+WPOkNefyyKUphBeIKZSBGx4KABgawZMg/zBYVNMmWve6REeU5Y 5E8ue60tugVdpJO5yRn0HuttxHB2J3Sc6y5XHBYChEDCF5h/COUcNIryJp0if8PwSFD2 TbkwIBEvVQANCBaOryliJkVWgqJ87i4YHL3MUcwRQwWVyYNT2StN5GFiG/QetmkBjyTV QETk33Gr5nSw3pLCn364wEB2DIBc6xj07Eba4X/k2s+/qWsmFmT4e/2f8qWTT3rK6j27 6l2aBxWCXJEIewbbH5UpChaHVo/CFc6qjJXmJF4lt2zrdxeJu2UCNYpEQRDg84YplvXJ gRZw== Received: by 10.49.132.65 with SMTP id os1mr14157993qeb.7.1349292909309; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from M4600PC (c-69-243-96-31.hsd1.md.comcast.net. [69.243.96.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jw1sm5664030qeb.13.2012.10.03.12.35.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:35:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sam Carter" To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 15:35:05 -0400 Message-ID: <00ba01cda19e$31081390$93183ab0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BB_01CDA17C.A9F932B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFJVvYOKPNhjgvtnSxVomhrPubOF5iwjXKA Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01CDA17C.A9F932B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can lead to only to find an unacceptable end result? I've just done that with another contractor and have nothing to move forward with. It seems reasonable that submitting an incomplete fraction, (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video would be acceptable as an audition to get the job. Sam From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Steve Oakley Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter wrote: This is my first post on this list. If posting contract work is not appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies in advance. its perfectly fine to post about offering work. am looking for a contractor willing to audition for the job of rotoscoping these videos to a satisfactory quality. For the audition, I will provide a single 15-second video. I ask that part of the video be rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be evaluated before contracting the job. IMNHO this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work for free as an "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person a different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto can take time depending on the material and asking for that time for free is wrong in the guise of an "audition". there are plenty of qualified people on this list who can do a great job. you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. if you want to see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work ? no. S ------=_NextPart_000_00BB_01CDA17C.A9F932B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The = alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can lead to = only to find an unacceptable end result?

I’ve = just done that with another contractor and have nothing to move forward = with. It seems reasonable that submitting an incomplete fraction, = (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video would be = acceptable as an audition to get the job.

Sam=

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of = Steve Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 = PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New = to the list - question on = rotoscoping

On = Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter <samckayak@gmail.com> = wrote:

This is my = first post on this list. If posting contract work is not = appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies in = advance.

its = perfectly fine to post about offering = work.

am looking = for a contractor willing to audition for the job of rotoscoping these = videos to a satisfactory quality. For the audition, I will provide = a single 15-second video. I ask that part of the video be = rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be evaluated before = contracting the job.

IMNHO = this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work for free as an = "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person = a different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto = can take time depending on the material and asking for that time for = free is wrong in the guise of an = "audition".

there are plenty of qualified people on this list who = can do a great job. you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. = if you want to see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work = ? no.

S

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