Return-Path: Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4862515 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:47:26 +0200 Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p27so1981718qat.7 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=j+Mp76IaJLNeCQCFPEAznc9yK0hJOB7/mCcjZBwN40U=; b=EtIXxGYFeKD76fc4eWBngCTOTzeNFrxweBJMzCrSwckbvxZlM874MZ2ofiRNyuV8Jv MIrPMHgm2wpyjknaLWIkoyy7166xKnzMsEOG0Pxi6dOqyWgRJresi6433FBL2VCbGAl0 mM7z8VvipK4XL1cgWkUK9oo1E9f97rEBmRkKYP//OU+A4OFjrvnWZkCkDHmeeTDKDyBs 3fNtkVNjPwIC7qVZnjhvAtJQ2OA8RYR7/5MA9ob6FMDrha0ESgHH55mTBVDu3OWzQUPu 5YabE9XA1rVJH6GP+/e266j9rNJQEYhB8+jFCYgW9ry+Yl7fb3WrkJ5SuEwaozDy327B 1avw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.175.27 with SMTP id v27mr1236280qcz.118.1349293761747; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.121.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:49:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:49:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping From: Brian Higgins To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045015cb85ddc7704cb2cefc1 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlor6GCVowL7xsGKxvrA6dT1C52zD/MrBHDdqQuPAqjqHRkNhbEBspRm5PLOyqHDCfnq3Kd --005045015cb85ddc7704cb2cefc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ask to see people's demo reels. Ideally they'll have some roto work in the style that you're looking for. Also, FWIW I didn't work on the Mekanism spots, but I'd estimate the animation/roto budget to be at least in the mid five figures range per spot, probably higher. $.02, Brian On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Carter wrote: > The alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can lead t= o > only to find an unacceptable end result?**** > > ** ** > > I=92ve just done that with another contractor and have nothing to move > forward with. It seems reasonable that submitting an incomplete fraction= , > (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video would be > acceptable as an audition to get the job.**** > > ** ** > > Sam**** > > ** ** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Steve Oakley > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 PM > > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter wrote:**** > > > > **** > > This is my first post on this list. If posting contract work is not > appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies in advanc= e. > **** > > ** ** > > its perfectly fine to post about offering work. **** > > > > **** > > am looking for a contractor willing to audition for the job of rotoscopin= g > these videos to a satisfactory quality. For the audition, I will provide= a > single 15-second video. I ask that part of the video be rotoscoped and > returned so the quality can be evaluated before contracting the job.**** > > ** ** > > IMNHO this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work for free as a= n > "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person a different > clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto can take time > depending on the material and asking for that time for free is wrong in t= he > guise of an "audition". **** > > ** ** > > there are plenty of qualified people on this list who can do a great job. > you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. if you want to see > samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work ? no.**** > > ** ** > > S**** > --=20 brian higgins | creative director Sol Design 312.706.5500 higgins@soldesignfx.com soldesignfx.com --005045015cb85ddc7704cb2cefc1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ask to see people's demo reels. Ideally they'll have some roto work= in the style that you're looking for.=A0 Also, FWIW I didn't work = on the Mekanism spots, but I'd estimate the animation/roto budget to be= at least in the mid five figures range per spot, probably higher.

$.02,
Brian

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at= 2:35 PM, Sam Carter <samckayak@gmail.com> wrote:

The alternative, contracting out the work without an audition= , can lead to only to find an unacceptable end result?=

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I=92ve just done that with another contractor and have n= othing to move forward with.=A0 It seems reasonable that submitting an inco= mplete fraction, (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video = would be acceptable as an audition to get the job.

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Sam

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From: After Effects Mail List [mailto= :AE-List@media= -motion.tv] On Behalf Of Steve Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New to= the list - question on rotoscoping

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On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, = Sam Carter <sam= ckayak@gmail.com> wrote:



This is my first post on this list= .=A0 If posting contract work is not appropriate, please ignore or delete t= his post and my apologies in advance.

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its perfectly fine to post about offering work.=A0=



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am looking for a contractor will= ing to audition for the job of rotoscoping these videos to a satisfactory q= uality.=A0 For the audition, I will provide a single 15-second video.=A0 I = ask that part of the video be rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be= evaluated before contracting the job.

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IMNHO this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work = for free as an "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send = each person a different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. g= ood roto can take time depending on the material and asking for that time f= or free is wrong in the guise of an "audition".=A0<= /p>

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there are plenty of qualified people on this list who can do= a great job. you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. =A0if you w= ant to see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work ? no.<= /u>

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brian higgins | creative dire= ctor
Sol =A0Design



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