Return-Path: Received: from nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com ([17.158.236.237] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4862517 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 21:47:34 +0200 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_HkVaPnyrFBetm3xOHUTrKg)" Received: from 66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net (66.49.40.101.nw.nuvox.net [66.49.40.101]) by nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MBC00G2D1QEJJ50@nk11p04mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:49:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-10-03_02:2012-10-03,2012-10-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1210030231 From: Benny Christensen Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:49:25 -0500 In-reply-to: To: After Effects Mail List References: Message-id: <2AEC1016-F87F-4880-ADD2-56DE7CB837B3@me.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) --Boundary_(ID_HkVaPnyrFBetm3xOHUTrKg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Why does it need to be rotoscoped? Wouldn't a decent chromakey get the = job done? Or at least get close enough if you have a tight budget? Benny Christensen Producers Playhouse Oklahoma City 405-858-0700 "There are two kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are = two kinds of people in the world and those who don't." - Robert Benchley On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Sam Carter wrote: > The alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can = lead to only to find an unacceptable end result? > =20 > I=92ve just done that with another contractor and have nothing to move = forward with. It seems reasonable that submitting an incomplete = fraction, (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video = would be acceptable as an audition to get the job. > =20 > Sam > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Steve Oakley > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping > =20 > =20 > On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter wrote: >=20 >=20 > This is my first post on this list. If posting contract work is not = appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies in = advance. > =20 > its perfectly fine to post about offering work.=20 >=20 >=20 > am looking for a contractor willing to audition for the job of = rotoscoping these videos to a satisfactory quality. For the audition, I = will provide a single 15-second video. I ask that part of the video be = rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be evaluated before = contracting the job. > =20 > IMNHO this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work for free = as an "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person a = different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto = can take time depending on the material and asking for that time for = free is wrong in the guise of an "audition".=20 > =20 > there are plenty of qualified people on this list who can do a great = job. you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. if you want to = see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work ? no. > =20 > S --Boundary_(ID_HkVaPnyrFBetm3xOHUTrKg) Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Why does it need to be rotoscoped? Wouldn't a = decent chromakey get the job done? Or at least get close enough if you = have a tight budget?

Benny = Christensen
Producers Playhouse
Oklahoma = City
405-858-0700

"There are two = kinds of people in the world, those who believe there are two kinds of = people in the world and those who don't." - Robert = Benchley

On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:35 PM, Sam Carter wrote:

The alternative, = contracting out the work without an audition, can lead to only to find = an unacceptable end result?
 
I=92ve just done that with another contractor and = have nothing to move forward with.  It seems reasonable that = submitting an incomplete fraction, (part of), which results in an = unusable clip of one video would be acceptable as an audition to get the = job.
From: After Effects Mail List = [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Steve = Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 = 3:30 PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - = question on rotoscoping
 
On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 = PM, Sam Carter <samckayak@gmail.com> = wrote:
This is my first post = on this list.  If posting contract work is not appropriate, please = ignore or delete this post and my apologies in = advance.
its perfectly fine to = post about offering work. 


am looking for a contractor willing to audition for = the job of rotoscoping these videos to a satisfactory quality.  For = the audition, I will provide a single 15-second video.  I ask that = part of the video be rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be = evaluated before contracting the = job.
IMNHO this is pretty = unacceptable. asking people to do work for free as an "audition" ? = hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person a different clip. = ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto can take time = depending on the material and asking for that time for free is wrong in = the guise of an "audition". 
 
there are plenty of qualified people on this list who = can do a great job. you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. =  if you want to see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work = ? no.