Return-Path: Received: from mail-qc0-f169.google.com ([209.85.216.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4862538 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 22:00:21 +0200 Received: by qcqt2 with SMTP id t2so6418465qcq.28 for ; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:x-mailer:thread-index:content-language; bh=ZqVV4GQRdEEg1WDUSMFGgngW4R5VNvMGLZHlUdLe1bM=; b=CF++43GJi4sFiRrUE9+HGGBcLm/go9M0jOYEgSFWF9Zi52SjqAMgizm20qbxhFMuK6 GMUIVJ94kPXAWk9Cv2xj9cxQHf31cSDkXpno8d+1UB/JXHYBT3IcfnYBgMX6KQiUGelA cf1REIJdPQFQ4n1CTKc3egdOo3Eae8pr65E3u0vG9STOVsb3GfHB9rB3pcQ6tmiCJWJj H0c7lON8QPEHHeUiV5VqBe3dO9WmRZ0QdsIETZpRsawkq9PpsvK1xa91ae2oYVYgnFOV Is0WYN9CQ7/eRIZVQkoGqSjbMTMSGGSGSJjSgS14L6SVvmVpzryUPZcfEku5RsSaI35d A12A== Received: by 10.224.180.7 with SMTP id bs7mr9146514qab.37.1349294536550; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from M4600PC (c-69-243-96-31.hsd1.md.comcast.net. [69.243.96.31]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl3sm5175259qab.3.2012.10.03.13.02.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Oct 2012 13:02:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Sam Carter" To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 16:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <013001cda1a1$fafd8e20$f0f8aa60$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0131_01CDA180.73F08200" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQFYRu2NrOxIYqeZasuyzKwc4DDiI5iStd7Q Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01CDA180.73F08200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mid-five figures for a 15 second clip means I am in the wrong forum. I regret wasting everyone's time. Best, Sam From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Brian Higgins Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:49 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping Ask to see people's demo reels. Ideally they'll have some roto work in the style that you're looking for. Also, FWIW I didn't work on the Mekanism spots, but I'd estimate the animation/roto budget to be at least in the mid five figures range per spot, probably higher. $.02, Brian On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Carter wrote: The alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can lead to only to find an unacceptable end result? I've just done that with another contractor and have nothing to move forward with. It seems reasonable that submitting an incomplete fraction, (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video would be acceptable as an audition to get the job. Sam From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Steve Oakley Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter wrote: This is my first post on this list. If posting contract work is not appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies in advance. its perfectly fine to post about offering work. am looking for a contractor willing to audition for the job of rotoscoping these videos to a satisfactory quality. For the audition, I will provide a single 15-second video. I ask that part of the video be rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be evaluated before contracting the job. IMNHO this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work for free as an "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person a different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto can take time depending on the material and asking for that time for free is wrong in the guise of an "audition". there are plenty of qualified people on this list who can do a great job. you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. if you want to see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work ? no. S -- brian higgins | creative director Sol Design 312.706.5500 higgins@soldesignfx.com soldesignfx.com ------=_NextPart_000_0131_01CDA180.73F08200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mid-five = figures for a 15 second clip means I am in the wrong forum.  =

 

I regret = wasting everyone’s time.

 

Best,

 

Sam=

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of = Brian Higgins
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:49 = PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New = to the list - question on rotoscoping

 

Ask to see people's demo reels. Ideally = they'll have some roto work in the style that you're looking for.  = Also, FWIW I didn't work on the Mekanism spots, but I'd estimate the = animation/roto budget to be at least in the mid five figures range per = spot, probably higher.

$.02,
Brian

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Sam Carter <samckayak@gmail.com> = wrote:

The = alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can lead to = only to find an unacceptable end result?

 <= o:p>

I’ve = just done that with another contractor and have nothing to move forward = with.  It seems reasonable that submitting an incomplete fraction, = (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video would be = acceptable as an audition to get the job.

 <= o:p>

Sam

 <= o:p>

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Steve = Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 = PM


To: After = Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question = on rotoscoping

 <= /o:p>

 <= /o:p>

On Oct 3, = 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter <samckayak@gmail.com> = wrote:

 <= /p>

This is my = first post on this list.  If posting contract work is not = appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies in = advance.

 <= /o:p>

its = perfectly fine to post about offering = work. 

 <= /p>

am looking = for a contractor willing to audition for the job of rotoscoping these = videos to a satisfactory quality.  For the audition, I will provide = a single 15-second video.  I ask that part of the video be = rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be evaluated before = contracting the job.

 <= /o:p>

IMNHO this = is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work for free as an = "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person = a different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto = can take time depending on the material and asking for that time for = free is wrong in the guise of an = "audition". 

 <= /o:p>

there are = plenty of qualified people on this list who can do a great job. you are = dealing with some of the best in the biz.  if you want to see = samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work ? = no.

 <= /o:p>

S=




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brian higgins | creative director

Sol  Design

312.706.5500 

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