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[108.46.190.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c9sm5934027qeh.1.2012.10.03.14.41.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Oct 2012 14:41:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Maffitt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5F3140C4-35C6-4EE0-9892-11ACFE015DA5" Message-Id: <542474D8-9D8E-4EF9-8750-9B46D1EF2EF4@totaltraining.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.1 \(1498\)) Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:41:17 -0400 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1498) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnCm+gurieY041Ji+qozY17qPUQyWa2AQy/tFcDUXyJP8/Da5GkrjTOWq490g2wCI9t7YdA --Apple-Mail=_5F3140C4-35C6-4EE0-9892-11ACFE015DA5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Here's an example of this effect I produced for a client a few years = ago, using my own recipe of effects, pre-renders, and a couple other = tricks. If these look good enough for your purposes, and your source = footage is suitable, I can do them for you at a very reasonable price. https://vimeo.com/50720229 Brian > Hi Sam,=20 >=20 > You can definitely achieve acceptable quality roto-paint style = animations doing frames on 2's or even 3's. Which will reduce the = overall amount of work.=20 >=20 > If you are shooting yourself, minimizing the camera motion and actors = rotation, will allow you to get away with a lot less roto, especially if = you use mocha to track the paint shapes. >=20 > I am sure that there are many talented artists that would be willing = to work with you to find an acceptable quality that fits your budget.=20 >=20 > good luck, > Ross >=20 >=20 > On 3 October 2012 16:31, Jim Tierney wrote: > Hi Sam, >=20 > =20 >=20 > Since I referred you over here, I=92ll chime in on this. >=20 > =20 >=20 > No one worthwhile is going to do work on spec. What you should do, is = hire someone to see if the look you want is feasible within your budget = constraints. There are many folks here that can show you excellent = examples of roto/masking work. They can do some render tests over a day = or so, using a few approaches, creating different looks to see if what = you=92re after is possible. It=92s not fair to ask for work examples = when you don=92t even know if what you want is possible. >=20 > =20 >=20 > The default settings for ToonIt are extremely good for what it does. = If that look is not acceptable then it=92s unlikely a strictly = post-process approach will work for you. So you=92re looking at some = combination of post processing and manual tweaking. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Fwiw=85 If you know you want to cartoon video before shooting, you can = set up your lighting, use a greenscreen, and use makeup during the shoot = to get better results from post-process effects like ToonIt. I realize = that=92s not the case here, but for future reference it=92s good to = know. Even then, to get anything close to the Charles Schwab commercials = it=92ll require manual work. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Jim >=20 > ---------------=20 >=20 > Jim Tierney >=20 > President >=20 > Digital Anarchy >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Sam Carter > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:35 PM >=20 >=20 > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping >=20 > =20 >=20 > The alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can = lead to only to find an unacceptable end result? >=20 > =20 >=20 > I=92ve just done that with another contractor and have nothing to move = forward with. It seems reasonable that submitting an incomplete = fraction, (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one video = would be acceptable as an audition to get the job. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Sam >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Steve Oakley > Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter wrote: >=20 > =20 >=20 > This is my first post on this list. If posting contract work is not = appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies in = advance. >=20 > =20 >=20 > its perfectly fine to post about offering work.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > am looking for a contractor willing to audition for the job of = rotoscoping these videos to a satisfactory quality. For the audition, I = will provide a single 15-second video. I ask that part of the video be = rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be evaluated before = contracting the job. >=20 > =20 >=20 > IMNHO this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to do work for free = as an "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send each person a = different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is wrong. good roto = can take time depending on the material and asking for that time for = free is wrong in the guise of an "audition".=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > there are plenty of qualified people on this list who can do a great = job. you are dealing with some of the best in the biz. if you want to = see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the work ? no. >=20 > =20 >=20 > S >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Ross Shain > Chief Marketing Officer > Imagineer Systems - developers of mocha planar tracking and visual = effects tools. >=20 > www.imagineersystems.com=20 > Phone: +1.646.298.6458 | Fax: 646.808.0831 | Email: = rosss@imagineersystems.com >=20 > Find us online: > Facebook | Vimeo | Imagineer Forums | Imagineer Blog >=20 --Apple-Mail=_5F3140C4-35C6-4EE0-9892-11ACFE015DA5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 https://vimeo.com/50720229
Brian

Hi Sam, =

You can definitely achieve acceptable quality roto-paint style = animations doing frames on 2's or even 3's. Which will reduce the = overall amount of work.

If you are shooting yourself, minimizing = the camera motion and actors rotation, will allow you to get away with a = lot less roto, especially if you use mocha to track the paint = shapes.

I am sure that there are many talented artists that would be willing = to work with you to find an acceptable quality that fits your budget. =

good luck,
Ross


On 3 = October 2012 16:31, Jim Tierney <jim@digitalanarchy.com> wrote:

Hi Sam,

 

Since I referred you over here, I=92ll chime in on = this.

 

No one worthwhile is going to do work on spec. = What you should do, is hire someone to see if the look you want is = feasible within your budget constraints. There are many folks here that = can show you excellent examples of roto/masking work. They can do some = render tests over a day or so, using a few approaches, creating = different looks to see if what you=92re after is possible. It=92s not = fair to ask for work examples when you don=92t even know if what you = want is possible.

 

The default settings for ToonIt are extremely good = for what it does. If that look is not acceptable then it=92s unlikely a = strictly post-process approach will work for you. So you=92re looking at = some combination of post processing and manual = tweaking.

 

Fwiw=85 If you know you want to cartoon video = before shooting, you can set up your lighting, use a greenscreen, and = use makeup during the shoot to get better results from post-process = effects like ToonIt. I realize that=92s not the case here, but for = future reference it=92s good to know. Even then, to get anything close = to the Charles Schwab commercials it=92ll require manual = work.

 

 

Cheers,

Jim

--------------- 

Jim Tierney

President

Digital Anarchy

 

 

 

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Sam = Carter
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 12:35 PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: = Re: [AE] New to the list - question on = rotoscoping

 

The alternative, contracting out the work without an audition, can = lead to only to find an unacceptable end = result?

 

I=92ve just done that with another contractor and have nothing to = move forward with.  It seems reasonable that submitting an = incomplete fraction, (part of), which results in an unusable clip of one = video would be acceptable as an audition to get the = job.

 

Sam

 

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of = Steve Oakley
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:30 PM
To: After = Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question = on rotoscoping

 

 

On Oct 3, 2012, at 2:12 PM, Sam Carter <samckayak@gmail.com> = wrote:

 

This is my first post on this list.  If posting contract work = is not appropriate, please ignore or delete this post and my apologies = in advance.

 

its perfectly fine to post about offering = work. 

 

am looking for a contractor willing to audition for the job of = rotoscoping these videos to a satisfactory quality.  For the = audition, I will provide a single 15-second video.  I ask that part = of the video be rotoscoped and returned so the quality can be evaluated = before contracting the job.

 

IMNHO this is pretty unacceptable. asking people to = do work for free as an "audition" ? hmmm... get 15 or 20 responses, send = each person a different clip. ...asking people to work for spec is = wrong. good roto can take time depending on the material and asking for = that time for free is wrong in the guise of an = "audition". 

 

there are plenty of qualified people on this list = who can do a great job. you are dealing with some of the best in the = biz.  if you want to see samples of previous work ? sure. to do the = work ? no.

 

S




--
Ross Shain
Chief = Marketing Officer
Imagineer Systems - developers of mocha planar tracking and = visual effects tools.

www.imagineersystems.com
Phone: +1.646.298.6458 | Fax: 646.808.0831 | Email: rosss@imagineersystems.com

Find us online:
Facebook | Vimeo = | Imagineer Forums | Imagineer = Blog


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