Return-Path: Received: from mta31.charter.net ([216.33.127.82] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4862617 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 23:41:44 +0200 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.02 201-2260-151-103-20110920) with ESMTP id <20121003214339.BSJM24708.mta31.charter.net@imp11> for ; Wed, 3 Oct 2012 17:43:39 -0400 Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([71.94.133.66]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id 6lje1k0021S6qBK05ljeGE; Wed, 03 Oct 2012 17:43:38 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Mv9Cy8NsQItTEAHnXr6fCNbI23lcrkmyMeqLv9HU3yU= c=1 sm=1 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:17 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=rrwZXDT2eTUYhYqrwVEA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=RFaxJ1YKWH0A:10 a=p3b_eOXHgIUA:10 a=hUswqBWy9Q8A:10 a=GmtB8zpbiqnnPD0QGf4A:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=tXsnliwV7b4A:10 a=z4JjJix-hd7iqYgQ:21 a=Vx6aIzdhH7H4BIXK4xUDUQ==:117 From: Jonathan Penzner Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23--521253172 Subject: Re: [AE] OT Mac DVD Question Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 14:43:37 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) --Apple-Mail-23--521253172 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Yes, I don't use the alpha in the overlay file, Jim. Strictly a flat = file with no alpha. Using an alpha screws things up, for sure. And one would think that if it plays correctly in the simulator it = should work correctly elsewhere, like when you burn a disk. But that's = not the case, unfortunately. It's not only baffling, but pretty = frustrating too. Have yet to reinstall. Been working in After Effects =96 blissfully, = where everything works as expected. But I'll have to face the dreaded = DVD monsters soon. Thanks again to you, Jim, and all who have contributed. I really = appreciate it. Jonathan On Oct 3, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Jim Curtis wrote: > Agree with this, but also, your Overlay shouldn't have or doesn't need = an alpha channel (or at least, I've never done it that way). I've just = inverted and exported the alpha channel, resulting in a high-contrast = black and white file. >=20 > But, it seems to me that if the Simulation is working, you may be OK = with what you have. Try Teddy's advice to play it in a regular DVD = player. >=20 >=20 > On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 >> A computer is not a good testbed dvd player. Too many variables with = the software. What happens in an actual DVD player? And are you sure = your menus are created using non-square pixels in PS? >>=20 >> On Oct 3, 2012 12:29 PM, "Jonathan Penzner" = wrote: >> Apologies for the off-topic, and for a Mac specific question as well, = but perhaps the brain trust can help me out. >>=20 >> Working in DVDSPRO, ver 4 >> OS 10.6.8 >> Quicktime 7.6.6 >> MacPro Tower 3,1 and a MacBook Pro 8,3 >> DVD Player 5.4.2 >>=20 >> Step 1 - I Create a menu in Photoshop. The text layers become = buttons. Load the selections for the text layers. Save as an alpha = channel. Reverse the alpha. >> Step 2 - Save the flattened menu without the alpha in a 720 X 480 = file. Save a separate flattened file of just the alpha. Also 720 X 480. >> Step 3 - In DVDSPRO, import both files. Set the menu as the = background. Set the file with the alpha channel as the overlay. Drag to = create the buttons in order, covering the areas of the text and the = corresponding alpha channel. There is no overlap on the areas covered by = the buttons. >> Step 4 - Import an M2V and audio file, drag to a track. Set the = buttons to go to the track. Set the track to go back to the menu. >> Step 5 - Test in Simulator and everything works perfectly. I can step = through the buttons, they all highlight correctly, displaying all the = states of all the buttons: normal, selected, activated. >>=20 >> Very simple stuff, and something I've been doing for ages. I don't = think that I've anything different lately. >>=20 >> The problem is, when I test the build in the DVD player, or, if I = burn a disk and put it in a player, the buttons don't show up correctly. = Some buttons do not highlight in the active or selected state, but play = if you hit enter on the keyboard if you can figure out which button = you're on. You can't select the unhighlighting buttons with a mouse. = This has been happening on two computers =96 a tower and a laptop. >>=20 >> On top of that =96 this is a side issue and not as crucial =96 the = DVD Player on the tower sometimes forgets to put up the dialog box that = asks whether I want to start the DVD from Last Time Played or the = Beginning of the Disk and jumps into where I was when I quit the Disk, = in other words, opting for Last Time Played. >>=20 >> I've trashed Prefs for DVDSPRO and the Player, run AppleJack a few = dozen times, repaired Disk Permissions for the Boot Drive, verified the = disk =96 nothing changes the behavior. >>=20 >> If anyone has any experience with this, I would be thrilled to hear = about it, and, hopefully, what can be done to fix it. This is seriously = killing my productivity. >>=20 >> Many thanks in advance. >>=20 >> Jonathan >>=20 >>=20 >> JONATHAN PENZNER >> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >> VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >>=20 >> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>=20 >> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >>=20 >=20 JONATHAN PENZNER SUNDANCE/REALTIME VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | | CELL 818 321-2890 | SUREAL@CHARTER.NET --Apple-Mail-23--521253172 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Agree with this, but also, your = Overlay shouldn't have or doesn't need an alpha channel (or at least, = I've never done it that way).  I've just inverted and exported the = alpha channel, resulting in a high-contrast black and white = file.

But, it seems to me that if the Simulation is = working, you may be OK with what you have.  Try Teddy's advice to = play it in a regular DVD = player.


On Oct 3, 2012, at 11:43 = AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

A computer is not a good testbed dvd player. Too many = variables with the software. What happens in an actual DVD player? And = are you sure your menus are created using non-square pixels in PS?

On Oct 3, 2012 12:29 PM, "Jonathan Penzner" = <sureal@charter.net> = wrote:
Apologies for the off-topic, = and for a Mac specific question as well, but perhaps the brain trust can = help me out.

Working in DVDSPRO, ver = 4
OS 10.6.8
Quicktime 7.6.6
MacPro Tower 3,1 and a MacBook Pro = 8,3
DVD Player 5.4.2

Step 1 - I = Create a menu in Photoshop. The text layers become buttons. Load the = selections for the text layers. Save as an alpha channel. Reverse the = alpha.
Step 2 - Save the flattened menu without the alpha in a 720 X 480 = file. Save a separate flattened file of just the alpha. Also 720 X = 480.
Step 3 - In DVDSPRO, import both files. Set the menu as = the background. Set the file with the alpha channel as the overlay. Drag = to create the buttons in order, covering the areas of the text and the = corresponding alpha channel. There is no overlap on the areas covered by = the buttons.
Step 4 - Import an M2V and audio file, drag to a track. Set the = buttons to go to the track. Set the track to go back to the = menu.
Step 5 - Test in Simulator and everything works = perfectly. I can step through the buttons, they all highlight correctly, = displaying all the states of all the buttons: normal, selected, = activated.

Very simple stuff, and something I've been doing for = ages. I don't think that I've anything different = lately.

The problem is, when I test the build = in the DVD player, or, if I burn a disk and put it in a player, the = buttons don't show up correctly. Some buttons do not highlight in the = active or selected state, but  play if you hit enter on the = keyboard if you can figure out which button you're on. You can't select = the unhighlighting buttons with a mouse. This has been happening on two = computers =96 a tower and a laptop.

On top of that =96 this is a side issue and not as = crucial =96 the DVD Player on the tower sometimes forgets to put up the = dialog box that asks whether I want to start the DVD from Last Time = Played or the Beginning of the Disk and jumps into where I was when I = quit the Disk, in other words, opting for Last Time Played.

I've trashed Prefs for DVDSPRO and the Player, run = AppleJack a few dozen times, repaired Disk Permissions for the Boot = Drive, verified the disk =96 nothing changes the = behavior.

If anyone has any experience with this, I would be thrilled to hear = about it, and, hopefully, what can be done to fix it. This is seriously = killing my productivity.

Many thanks in = advance.

Jonathan


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VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION = GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN

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