Return-Path: Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4863190 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 18:00:33 +0200 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20121004160230.NJHM1732.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 17:02:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [80.5.201.216]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20121004160230.NUGZ22970.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 17:02:30 +0100 From: Angie-Taylor Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AD72613C-4109-4EC2-BB7C-C71BE90CB8DE" Subject: Re: [AE] New to the list - question on rotoscoping Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 17:02:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=AUhbpHVS+xhHrj9wLCYAQoYnFLYUZdbP8UM0GmH2jwk= c=1 sm=0 a=8nbwq0jAnbYA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=hTmo6BQnAAAA:8 a=9kpiMG8CAAAA:8 a=MqKSN0MkAAAA:8 a=3nknaA1-DZW3dWzfwS0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=xJxwlSTHri8A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=beAFnnHOAjBH-P3X:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 --Apple-Mail=_AD72613C-4109-4EC2-BB7C-C71BE90CB8DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Brian, Yes, this can cause issues depending on colour settings. i find it works = best if you severely posterize the results by restricting the colour = palette used. I must admit the times I used it successfully were when = using between 3 and 10 colours only or greyscale . . . . temporal = filtering . . . yum, yum . . now you're talking!! ;-) Angie On 4 Oct 2012, at 16:33, Brian Maffitt wrote: > We used to use this approach quite a lot (I even taught it in a = series), and the look can be interesting... but we eventually gave up on = it. The problem with it is that there's no temporal filtering from frame = to frame, so you often got "pops" in color when a subject turns their = head, or a hand passes in front of the body etc. So while the outlines = are compelling, the colors can jump all over the place. Perhaps they = have fixed this in a later version? >=20 > Brian >=20 >> Hi Stephen, >>=20 >> This is a process I've also used. Did you know that you can automate = the process using Bridge? If you save an Illustrator Live Paint preset, = then select the image sequence in Bridge and go to Tools > Illustrator > = Live Trace. >>=20 >> You can also set up Actions to do something similar which adds the = option of tweaking while processing. >>=20 >> cheers, >>=20 >> Angie >>=20 >> On 3 Oct 2012, at 23:14, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: >>=20 >>> If you have a lot of time but not a lot of money, it=92s not the = same visual effect as Charles Schwaub =96 but vectoring a still frame in = Adobe Illustrator can give a unique look vs. the cartoon look plugins = I=92ve seen . Once you create a preset for a single frame, you can apply = to all frames. Note that Illustrator is not easily automatable, but = still, it would be far less time that rotoscoping and probably do a nice = job for mid 4 figures. However, that look may not been what you want. = And it will require cleanup work due to the unpredictability. >>> =20 >>> Further caveat =96 I=92ve only experimented this a number of year = ago, so YMMV. >>> =20 >>> stephen van vuuren >>> 336.202.4777 >>> =20 >>> http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >>> http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >>> http://www.sv2studios.com/ >>> =20 >>> A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s = behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. >>> =96Stanley Kubrick >>> =20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_AD72613C-4109-4EC2-BB7C-C71BE90CB8DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Hi = Brian,

Yes, this can cause issues depending on colour = settings. i find it works best if you severely posterize the results by = restricting the colour palette used. I must admit the times I used it = successfully were when using between 3 and 10 colours only or greyscale = . . . . temporal filtering . . . yum, yum . . now you're talking!! = ;-)

Angie


= On 4 Oct 2012, at 16:33, Brian Maffitt wrote:

We = used to use this approach quite a lot (I even taught it in a series), = and the look can be interesting... but we eventually gave up on it. The = problem with it is that there's no temporal filtering from frame to = frame, so you often got "pops" in color when a subject turns their head, = or a hand passes in front of the body etc. So while the outlines are = compelling, the colors can jump all over the place. Perhaps they have = fixed this in a later = version?

Brian

Hi Stephen,

This is a process = I've also used. Did you know that you can automate the process using = Bridge? If you save an Illustrator Live Paint preset, then select the = image sequence in Bridge and go to Tools > Illustrator > Live = Trace.

You can also set up Actions to do = something similar which adds the option of tweaking while = processing.

cheers,

Angi= e

On 3 Oct 2012, at 23:14, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote:

If = you have a lot of time but not a lot of money, it=92s not the same = visual effect as Charles Schwaub =96 but vectoring a still frame in = Adobe Illustrator can give a unique look vs. the cartoon look plugins = I=92ve seen . Once you create a preset for a single frame, you can apply = to all frames. Note that Illustrator is not easily automatable, but = still, it would be far less time that rotoscoping and probably do a nice = job for mid 4 figures.  However, that look may not been what you = want. And it will require cleanup work due to the = unpredictability.
Further caveat =96 I=92ve = only experimented this a number of year ago, so = YMMV.
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