Return-Path: Received: from mail-lb0-f169.google.com ([209.85.217.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4863566 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:45:40 +0200 Received: by mail-lb0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k6so788209lbo.28 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:47:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=AjcbgcYvLfrceRFc8N+U9pTYSlTo2DoH+Us47hjvqhs=; b=ZwCHmPPb/o5k1sjStzpGRZ+VBRlQoQnqYPI2ppmZS2CKtcWas8cjHfbeTfZxVybv43 LlYnz/mxr2ZyE5flTuv0IsJe4JBavRH0dZmJw4tZkULmb/N8MQFapakF8XJRQTXp26JL YywBJqEr0M8DGSmHZDEySYvc2mfkhOw9qxu0esawLmRKxEL/p8Tw+d/pOIQyvv0f45Zj 4VUZtDMNDEP6jgHIQY1hqOTA7ZGOFz9i9xqG678otHr1aEaXhpJG/GnMyvz1dNAI0R2r ddOTk9VD90zNwwDXpDrKkIjzj0Yvib7+BSvm/JzM32hbTX3zRGdtjf2t14mmXESinjrB TgyQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.24.74 with SMTP id s10mr3323754lbf.122.1349394459793; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.88.35 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.88.35 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Oct 2012 16:47:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:47:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] incorrect colors on output to client From: Teddy Gage To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba25e841701ae804cb4461a3 --90e6ba25e841701ae804cb4461a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would highly recommend against using prores on PC. Its not a "finished" codec. I've had bugs with it. Especially in ae. Can you convert the prores files to avi with premiere first? That's what I usually do. Then color correct those clips if you have to, even. Then output a raw at or with 10bit compression. Don't use animation either. Its ancient, unless it really is video of large flat planes of color. On Oct 4, 2012 7:25 PM, "Greg Balint" wrote: > Hey all, > > I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never seen > before. > > I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would come out > lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know what that > looks like and how to alleviate it. > > This however, is a completely different ball of yarn. > > Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who works on a > Mac) > > Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, and add it > to the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - RGB - millions of > colors, premultiplied matted.. > > when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the source > footage.. but only when viewed in QuickTime Player. > > If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the footage vs the > source, they look identical.. .it's only when viewing in QT Player that > they look different. and apparently when editing in FCP as well. > > What's going on here? > > I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 settings in > project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some other codecs, > including some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, because I noticed that the > codec they provided source footage in said that in the project panel... > still no avail.. I even ticked and unticked the "match legacy gamma" option > in the project settings panel.. nothing doing.. > > Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when viewed > side-by-side in QT... > > This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find out, ALL of > the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this happening.. so now I > need to figure out how to change that, and also re-render abhout 40+ FX > shots, by tonight.. :\ > > any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly appreciated.. > > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com/ > > On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> For a school Telecommunications project I need several different After >> Effects benchmark projects. For this I cannot use CUDA, as it is a cloud >> computing project. Therefore I would like to shy away from anything using >> the new CS6 render engine. My Google search brought up Brian Maffitt's >> benchmark here: http://www.media-motion.tv/**aebenchmarks.html, >> but I would like some more projects to use. I do not have any serious need >> to compare it to other systems, I'm going to use these as sample clients to >> prove our system works. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Bruce Wainer >> > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --90e6ba25e841701ae804cb4461a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would highly recommend against using prores on PC. Its not= a "finished" codec. I've had bugs with it. Especially in ae.= =A0 Can you convert the prores files to avi with premiere first? That's= what I usually do. Then color correct those clips if you have to, even. Th= en output a raw at or with 10bit compression. Don't use animation eithe= r. Its ancient, unless it really is video of large flat planes of color.

On Oct 4, 2012 7:25 PM, "Greg Balint" = <greg@delrazor.com> wrote:
Hey all,

I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never s= een before.

I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would come = out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know what tha= t looks like and how to alleviate it.

This however, is a completely different ball of yarn.

Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who works on a = Mac)

Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, and add it to= the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - RGB - millions of colors, = premultiplied matted..

when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the source footage..= but only when viewed in QuickTime Player.

If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the footage vs the sou= rce, they look identical.. .it's only when viewing in QT Player that th= ey look different. and apparently when editing in FCP as well.

What's going on here?

I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 settings in= project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some other codecs, includi= ng some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, because I noticed that the = codec they provided source footage in said that in the project panel... sti= ll no avail.. I even ticked and unticked the "match legacy gamma"= option in the project settings panel.. nothing doing..

Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when viewed side-by-s= ide in QT...

This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find out, ALL = of the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this happening.. so = now I need to figure out how to change that, and also re-render abhout 40+ = FX shots, by tonight.. :\

any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly appreciated..

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.= 514.4839
delRAZOR.com/

On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote:
Hello all,

For a school Telecommunications project I need several different After Effe= cts benchmark projects. For this I cannot use CUDA, as it is a cloud comput= ing project. Therefore I would like to shy away from anything using the new= CS6 render engine. My Google search brought up Brian Maffitt's benchma= rk here: http://www.media-motion.tv/aebenchmarks.html, but I wou= ld like some more projects to use. I do not have any serious need to compar= e it to other systems, I'm going to use these as sample clients to prov= e our system works.

Thanks in advance,
Bruce Wainer


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