Return-Path: Received: from na3sys009aog125.obsmtp.com ([74.125.149.153] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4863578 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 01:50:36 +0200 Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009aob125.postini.com ([74.125.148.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUG4hQ+mAkcv5+4lMLkTmTphYUR1LxnCf@postini.com; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:52:36 PDT Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p27so3022463qat.7 for ; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:52:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=totaltraining.com; s=google; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:x-mailer; bh=BrML9oyu8of4rjCMsqdBQmXQrTRVlj7DpYBnth3B7rc=; b=IeGdnVvM+BFGl+FPjtXUbEY28QjcUxDMIFym9ekqakICyuuMvosXbfJmZts2ba1J9S jm76iUlygXny/ODuvKdVZoFPTvl31svWxyxdXP/dLXc4c9kynasQWF38zU5XZz9TPHGJ 4RNGSyoO+N1bIr2aNIaJDu6B/GVWh40OFtid8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:content-type:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=BrML9oyu8of4rjCMsqdBQmXQrTRVlj7DpYBnth3B7rc=; b=DTiw87NfryAs3u3ayqWj0WuA++5nSAyXaOsueC9nrs9EVo4L8kJEVh4oXC+5BKMvnq YIradLwmUNubNB2R/IT3vyDR0HRr1UFGpRZs3Igwm10WnWe0yRzVPFafzjNlYbNjlbuv 6Qf64UMmZPw+tqNWETf6H6LvzoBIfVpVoMQz6BC+J2bgaYWc/DUG/zb+JnFiZEorstB2 j0b/x4DSUQpGBFu6vnOMOxYvg1Y6dp+jeTpfufI/QRKrgg7/1VZNj5l8jliK3YX4bNax Ut6lTMOn78qkDkwvlZndKe0niTOOMgSrgzung17ohDmxrs1HC16hBEzjmnm11Azw0Zoh PrUg== Received: by 10.224.203.193 with SMTP id fj1mr14938785qab.13.1349394754359; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:52:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from macintosh-5.home (pool-108-46-190-100.nycmny.fios.verizon.net. [108.46.190.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c9sm8816007qeh.1.2012.10.04.16.52.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Oct 2012 16:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Maffitt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_05C84158-868F-4212-BB48-80C318C8C24E" Message-Id: <7571A0DC-D2D6-4194-A381-F49745B65C25@totaltraining.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.1 \(1498\)) Subject: Re: [AE] incorrect colors on output to client Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:52:23 -0400 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1498) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmuCZUkEUM0dp+BdbSlnsZP5HAfdzoVWuup54ATPgrYT3cjiT7zkG/kzUAvK/h66dCDG3iN --Apple-Mail=_05C84158-868F-4212-BB48-80C318C8C24E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. If that's = true, this is something else. Brian > Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the shift in fcp = for final edit I guess it does matter. They can't just gamma shift it = back? >=20 > On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" = wrote: > Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing a fairly = well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. It only affects how the = movie looks when played in Quicktime, not when used in another = application. Take a look at the same clip in VLC and see if it looks OK. >=20 > > Hey all, > > > > I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never = seen before. > > > > I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would = come out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know = what that looks like and how to alleviate it. > > > > This however, is a completely different ball of yarn. > > > > Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who = works on a Mac) > > > > Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, and = add it to the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - RGB - millions = of colors, premultiplied matted.. > > > > when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the source = footage.. but only when viewed in QuickTime Player. > > > > If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the footage vs = the source, they look identical.. .it's only when viewing in QT Player = that they look different. and apparently when editing in FCP as well. > > > > What's going on here? > > > > I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 settings = in project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some other codecs, = including some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, because I noticed that the = codec they provided source footage in said that in the project panel... = still no avail.. I even ticked and unticked the "match legacy gamma" = option in the project settings panel.. nothing doing.. > > > > Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when viewed = side-by-side in QT... > > > > This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find out, = ALL of the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this happening.. = so now I need to figure out how to change that, and also re-render = abhout 40+ FX shots, by tonight.. :\ > > > > any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly appreciated.. > > > > ///Greg Balint > > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > > /321.514.4839 > > delRAZOR.com/ > > > > On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote: > >> Hello all, > >> > >> For a school Telecommunications project I need several different = After Effects benchmark projects. For this I cannot use CUDA, as it is a = cloud computing project. Therefore I would like to shy away from = anything using the new CS6 render engine. My Google search brought up = Brian Maffitt's benchmark here: = http://www.media-motion.tv/aebenchmarks.html, but I would like some more = projects to use. I do not have any serious need to compare it to other = systems, I'm going to use these as sample clients to prove our system = works. > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> Bruce Wainer > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to --Apple-Mail=_05C84158-868F-4212-BB48-80C318C8C24E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. If that's true, this is something else.

Brian

Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the shift in fcp for final edit I guess it does matter. They can't just gamma shift it back?

On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" <brian@totaltraining.com> wrote:
Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing a fairly well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. It only affects how the movie looks when played in Quicktime, not when used in another application. Take a look at the same clip in VLC and see if it looks OK.

> Hey all,
>
> I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never seen before.
>
> I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would come out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know what that looks like and how to alleviate it.
>
> This however, is a completely different ball of yarn.
>
> Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who works on a Mac)
>
> Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, and add it to the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - RGB - millions of colors, premultiplied matted..
>
> when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the source footage.. but only when viewed in QuickTime Player.
>
> If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the footage vs the source, they look identical.. .it's only when viewing in QT Player that they look different. and apparently when editing in FCP as well.
>
> What's going on here?
>
> I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 settings in project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some other codecs, including some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, because I noticed that the codec they provided source footage in said that in the project panel... still no avail.. I even ticked and unticked the "match legacy gamma" option in the project settings panel.. nothing doing..
>
> Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when viewed side-by-side in QT...
>
> This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find out, ALL of the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this happening.. so now I need to figure out how to change that, and also re-render abhout 40+ FX shots, by tonight.. :\
>
> any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly appreciated..
>
> ///Greg Balint
> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
> /321.514.4839
> delRAZOR.com/
>
> On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> For a school Telecommunications project I need several different After Effects benchmark projects. For this I cannot use CUDA, as it is a cloud computing project. Therefore I would like to shy away from anything using the new CS6 render engine. My Google search brought up Brian Maffitt's benchmark here: http://www.media-motion.tv/aebenchmarks.html, but I would like some more projects to use. I do not have any serious need to compare it to other systems, I'm going to use these as sample clients to prove our system works.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bruce Wainer
>
>
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