Return-Path: Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4863593 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:16:54 +0200 Received: from [10.1.1.22] (71-13-195-18.static.eucl.wi.charter.com [71.13.195.18]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MXILt-1Sx9PY0rEz-00W92c; Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:18:50 -0400 From: Steve Oakley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C260803B-1396-4C0D-8062-297E8561F8E7" Message-Id: <2AFD7106-DE1A-42D2-8685-D47732F30E8E@practicali.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.1 \(1498\)) Subject: Re: [AE] incorrect colors on output to client Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 19:18:47 -0500 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1498) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:c6Am3hL7PfijN4OkVzeyZkdL/ZBpFfa4OHZQLLANN4D d0lN0sB3VOh9BqBc9efjhyVags/LfGLjbb1f72lUXh2/dKe92P KV3QGh8UXn9F9YmcxMy8/pkshLCggaAdGPct8xLWIUjl+E+4K2 mFL+GVJAswpIuRc8J3jYCk8nLioy25n5ko+LAtlzg34D8NUgoD uhvB15CYMGbsmXsxsoGpwJ9v0tioP1AXZ9okJWjAKOKvZhP+A+ ynZS6yB7sombnnSJJcupzhRVw8Ad2do70E6444wDBhxKD3+iU/ /DQ3FPJ/GBSEOHx8D+9Q8ajIgQnAcAbfkH8GZLRpfASZ1najZr oMRhqclGBHVBrv8OEz8ORqGxF1m8yhHjyboUznO2jrvi2PM9SM 4pByBliPtMYPg== --Apple-Mail=_C260803B-1396-4C0D-8062-297E8561F8E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 if on PC, you could try one of the uncompressed YUV / AJA / BMD codecs. = another choice if no alpha is involved is PhotoJpeg at 90 or 95%.=20 want to play with fire :? try cineform... but the free ones DOESN"T = support alpha channel, but does do 10bit\ welcome to why I couldn't make a Win7 box fit in here s On Oct 4, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Gary Berendsen = wrote: > I've been haing that as well, since cs6, well 5.5 as well. > prores non hq solved it for me. >=20 >=20 > Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist > Czaar Peter Straat 157-159 > 1018 PJ Amsterdam > garyberendsen.com > gary@garyberendsen.com > +31614385398 > skype: garyberendsen >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Oct 5, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Brian Maffitt = wrote: >=20 >> I missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. If that's = true, this is something else. >>=20 >> Brian >>=20 >>> Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the shift in = fcp for final edit I guess it does matter. They can't just gamma shift = it back? >>>=20 >>> On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" = wrote: >>> Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing a fairly = well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. It only affects how the = movie looks when played in Quicktime, not when used in another = application. Take a look at the same clip in VLC and see if it looks OK. >>>=20 >>> > Hey all, >>> > >>> > I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never = seen before. >>> > >>> > I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would = come out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know = what that looks like and how to alleviate it. >>> > >>> > This however, is a completely different ball of yarn. >>> > >>> > Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who = works on a Mac) >>> > >>> > Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, and = add it to the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - RGB - millions = of colors, premultiplied matted.. >>> > >>> > when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the source = footage.. but only when viewed in QuickTime Player. >>> > >>> > If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the footage = vs the source, they look identical.. .it's only when viewing in QT = Player that they look different. and apparently when editing in FCP as = well. >>> > >>> > What's going on here? >>> > >>> > I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 = settings in project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some other = codecs, including some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, because I noticed = that the codec they provided source footage in said that in the project = panel... still no avail.. I even ticked and unticked the "match legacy = gamma" option in the project settings panel.. nothing doing.. >>> > >>> > Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when viewed = side-by-side in QT... >>> > >>> > This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find out, = ALL of the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this happening.. = so now I need to figure out how to change that, and also re-render = abhout 40+ FX shots, by tonight.. :\ >>> > >>> > any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly appreciated.. >>> > >>> > ///Greg Balint >>> > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> > /321.514.4839 >>> > delRAZOR.com/ >>> > >>> > On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote: >>> >> Hello all, >>> >> >>> >> For a school Telecommunications project I need several different = After Effects benchmark projects. For this I cannot use CUDA, as it is a = cloud computing project. Therefore I would like to shy away from = anything using the new CS6 render engine. My Google search brought up = Brian Maffitt's benchmark here: = http://www.media-motion.tv/aebenchmarks.html, but I would like some more = projects to use. I do not have any serious need to compare it to other = systems, I'm going to use these as sample clients to prove our system = works. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks in advance, >>> >> Bruce Wainer >>> > >>> > >>> > +---End of message---+ >>> > To unsubscribe send any message to >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C260803B-1396-4C0D-8062-297E8561F8E7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 if on = PC, you could try one of the uncompressed YUV / AJA / BMD codecs. = another choice if no alpha is involved is PhotoJpeg at 90 or = 95%. 

want to play with fire :? try cineform... = but the free ones DOESN"T support alpha channel, but does do = 10bit\

welcome to why I couldn't make a Win7 = box fit in here

s

On = Oct 4, 2012, at 6:54 PM, Gary Berendsen <gary@garyberendsen.com> = wrote:

I've = been haing that as well, since cs6, well 5.5 as well.
prores non hq = solved it for me.


Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist
1018 PJ = Amsterdam
gary@garyberendsen.com
skype: garyberendsen






On Oct 5, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Brian Maffitt <brian@totaltraining.com> = wrote:

I = missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. If that's true, = this is something else.

Brian

Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the = shift in fcp for final edit I guess it does matter. They can't just = gamma shift it back?

On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" = <brian@totaltraining.com> = wrote:
Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing a fairly = well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. It only affects how the = movie looks when played in Quicktime, not when used in another = application. Take a look at the same clip in VLC and see if it looks = OK.

> Hey all,
>
> I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never = seen before.
>
> I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would = come out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know = what that looks like and how to alleviate it.
>
> This however, is a completely different ball of yarn.
>
> Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who = works on a Mac)
>
> Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, and = add it to the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - RGB - millions = of colors, premultiplied matted..
>
> when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the source = footage.. but only when viewed in QuickTime Player.
>
> If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the footage vs = the source, they look identical.. .it's only when viewing in QT Player = that they look different. and apparently when editing in FCP as = well.
>
> What's going on here?
>
> I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 = settings in project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some other = codecs, including some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, because I noticed = that the codec they provided source footage in said that in the project = panel... still no avail.. I even ticked and unticked the "match legacy = gamma" option in the project settings panel.. nothing doing..
>
> Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when viewed = side-by-side in QT...
>
> This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find out, = ALL of the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this happening.. = so now I need to figure out how to change that, and also re-render = abhout 40+ FX shots, by tonight.. :\
>
> any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly = appreciated..
>
> ///Greg Balint
> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
> /321.514.4839
> delRAZOR.com/
>
> On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> For a school Telecommunications project I need several = different After Effects benchmark projects. For this I cannot use CUDA, = as it is a cloud computing project. Therefore I would like to shy away = from anything using the new CS6 render engine. My Google search brought = up Brian Maffitt's benchmark here: http://www.media-motion.tv/aebenchmarks.html, but = I would like some more projects to use. I do not have any serious need = to compare it to other systems, I'm going to use these as sample clients = to prove our system works.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bruce Wainer
>
>
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