Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([173.201.192.236] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4863599 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 02:20:59 +0200 Received: (qmail 8363 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2012 00:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (173.247.4.230) by p3plsmtpa07-07.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (173.201.192.236) with ESMTP; 05 Oct 2012 00:22:54 -0000 Message-ID: <506E286D.5000406@delrazor.com> Date: Thu, 04 Oct 2012 20:23:09 -0400 From: Greg Balint Organization: delRAZOR User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] incorrect colors on output to client References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030905040600070504070008" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030905040600070504070008 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for this.. I'll ask my client to provide a non-HQ version to try this out with. Can anyone, off hand, tell me what the diffs are between HQ and non-HQ? we're using some 5k shots in this film, and I'm not sure if non-HQ will handle their needs. I'll also try the method of pre-transcoding the source footage to something more stable.. I figured since I could read ProRes in AE, and they included it as an option for source footage, That it was stable enough to incorporate into the workflow. ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com/ On 10/4/2012 7:54 PM, Gary Berendsen wrote: > I've been haing that as well, since cs6, well 5.5 as well. > prores non hq solved it for me. > > > *Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist* > *Czaar Peter Straat 157-159* > *1018 PJ Amsterdam* > *garyberendsen.com * > *gary@garyberendsen.com * > *+31614385398* > *skype: garyberendsen* > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Brian Maffitt > wrote: > >> I missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. If that's >> true, this is something else. >> >> Brian >> >>> Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the shift in >>> fcp for final edit I guess it does matter. They can't just gamma >>> shift it back? >>> >>> On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" >> > wrote: >>> >>> Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing a fairly >>> well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. It only affects how >>> the movie looks when played in Quicktime, not when used in >>> another application. Take a look at the same clip in VLC and see >>> if it looks OK. >>> >>> > Hey all, >>> > >>> > I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've >>> never seen before. >>> > >>> > I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders >>> would come out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was >>> bumped up. I know what that looks like and how to alleviate it. >>> > >>> > This however, is a completely different ball of yarn. >>> > >>> > Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client >>> (who works on a Mac) >>> > >>> > Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, >>> and add it to the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - >>> RGB - millions of colors, premultiplied matted.. >>> > >>> > when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the >>> source footage.. but only when viewed in QuickTime Player. >>> > >>> > If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the >>> footage vs the source, they look identical.. .it's only when >>> viewing in QT Player that they look different. and apparently >>> when editing in FCP as well. >>> > >>> > What's going on here? >>> > >>> > I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 >>> settings in project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some >>> other codecs, including some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, >>> because I noticed that the codec they provided source footage in >>> said that in the project panel... still no avail.. I even ticked >>> and unticked the "match legacy gamma" option in the project >>> settings panel.. nothing doing.. >>> > >>> > Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when >>> viewed side-by-side in QT... >>> > >>> > This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find >>> out, ALL of the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this >>> happening.. so now I need to figure out how to change that, and >>> also re-render abhout 40+ FX shots, by tonight.. :\ >>> > >>> > any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly appreciated.. >>> > >>> > ///Greg Balint >>> > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >>> > /321.514.4839 >>> > delRAZOR.com/ >>> > >>> > On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote: >>> >> Hello all, >>> >> >>> >> For a school Telecommunications project I need several >>> different After Effects benchmark projects. For this I cannot >>> use CUDA, as it is a cloud computing project. Therefore I would >>> like to shy away from anything using the new CS6 render engine. >>> My Google search brought up Brian Maffitt's benchmark here: >>> http://www.media-motion.tv/aebenchmarks.html, but I would like >>> some more projects to use. I do not have any serious need to >>> compare it to other systems, I'm going to use these as sample >>> clients to prove our system works. >>> >> >>> >> Thanks in advance, >>> >> Bruce Wainer >>> > >>> > >>> > +---End of message---+ >>> > To unsubscribe send any message to >>> > >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >> > >>> >> > --------------030905040600070504070008 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Thanks for this.. I'll ask my client to provide a non-HQ version to try this out with.

Can anyone, off hand, tell me what the diffs are between HQ and non-HQ?  we're using some 5k shots in this film, and I'm not sure if non-HQ will handle their needs.

I'll also try the method of pre-transcoding the source footage to something more stable.. I figured since I could read ProRes in AE, and they included it as an option for source footage,  That it was stable enough to incorporate into the workflow.


///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
On 10/4/2012 7:54 PM, Gary Berendsen wrote:
I've been haing that as well, since cs6, well 5.5 as well.
prores non hq solved it for me.


Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist
Czaar Peter Straat 157-159
1018 PJ Amsterdam
+31614385398
skype: garyberendsen






On Oct 5, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Brian Maffitt <brian@totaltraining.com> wrote:

I missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. If that's true, this is something else.

Brian

Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the shift in fcp for final edit I guess it does matter. They can't just gamma shift it back?

On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" <brian@totaltraining.com> wrote:
Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing a fairly well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. It only affects how the movie looks when played in Quicktime, not when used in another application. Take a look at the same clip in VLC and see if it looks OK.

> Hey all,
>
> I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never seen before.
>
> I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would come out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know what that looks like and how to alleviate it.
>
> This however, is a completely different ball of yarn.
>
> Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who works on a Mac)
>
> Import it into AE on my PC, make a new comp from the footage, and add it to the render queue with Animation Codec at 100% - RGB - millions of colors, premultiplied matted..
>
> when I render.. the render turns out to be DARKER than the source footage.. but only when viewed in QuickTime Player.
>
> If I bring that render back into AE and do an A/B on the footage vs the source, they look identical.. .it's only when viewing in QT Player that they look different. and apparently when editing in FCP as well.
>
> What's going on here?
>
> I thought it might be a bit-depth thing, but I've set all 3 settings in project, and that changes nothing. I also tried some other codecs, including some "Trillions of Colors" codecs, because I noticed that the codec they provided source footage in said that in the project panel... still no avail.. I even ticked and unticked the "match legacy gamma" option in the project settings panel.. nothing doing..
>
> Every piece of footage I send through AE looks darker when viewed side-by-side in QT...
>
> This is the first time I've had this happen, and come to find out, ALL of the FX shots I've done for this Indie film have this happening.. so now I need to figure out how to change that, and also re-render abhout 40+ FX shots, by tonight.. :\
>
> any last minute help.....or shoves, would be greatly appreciated..
>
> ///Greg Balint
> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
> /321.514.4839
> delRAZOR.com/
>
> On 10/4/2012 4:21 PM, Bruce Wainer wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> For a school Telecommunications project I need several different After Effects benchmark projects. For this I cannot use CUDA, as it is a cloud computing project. Therefore I would like to shy away from anything using the new CS6 render engine. My Google search brought up Brian Maffitt's benchmark here: http://www.media-motion.tv/aebenchmarks.html, but I would like some more projects to use. I do not have any serious need to compare it to other systems, I'm going to use these as sample clients to prove our system works.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bruce Wainer
>
>
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