Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([173.201.193.235] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4865139 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 19:41:35 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([173.247.4.230]) by p3plsmtpa09-06.prod.phx3.secureserver.net with id 7VjZ1k0044xm87901VjaF0; Fri, 05 Oct 2012 10:43:34 -0700 Message-ID: <506F1C59.8010906@delrazor.com> Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 13:43:53 -0400 From: Greg Balint Organization: delRAZOR User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] incorrect colors on output to client References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000700010705040909000009" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000700010705040909000009 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could probably do this, but "some" of the editors I've worked with in the past don't like working with sequences, or even a separate QT alpha file.. would rather have one layer to work with in FCP or Premiere. ///Greg Balint //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer /321.514.4839 delRAZOR.com/ On 10/5/2012 1:40 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > I usually just spit out bw track matte sequences along with the jpg if > I need alpha. > > On Oct 5, 2012 1:35 PM, "Greg Balint" > wrote: > > Thanks everyone for the help. > > I ended up rendering everything out at PhotoJPEG 98%.. file-sizes > went WAY down and the client loves the quality.. plus!!!!!! it > fixed/didn't show the QT Gamma issue! So I'm now a big fan. My > entire render folder was 5.59Gb. vs nearly 25Gb+ previously. My > client actually called to ask if it had a hiccup in the uploads > because of how small the folder was. > > Does anyone know a similar QT codec to PhotoJPEG that can do Alpha > Channel and doesn't disable MultiProcessing in AE like PNG codec does? > > Basically I need an embedded alpha channel codec which looks > pretty much uncompressed, 8-bit is probably fine, is useable with > FCP on Mac and Premiere on PC, and doesn't take up a TON of space > like Animation codec does, which also takes advantage of AE's MP > capabilities. > > ///Greg Balint > //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > /321.514.4839 > delRAZOR.com/ > > On 10/5/2012 7:11 AM, Darren H wrote: >> Hi Greg, >> >> The only difference is bit rate. HQ gives better quality at >> bigger file sizes, though in some cases where I've compared >> frames, I've struggled to see the difference. They're both 10bit. >> >> D. >> >> On Friday, 5 October 2012, Greg Balint wrote: >> >> >> Can anyone, off hand, tell me what the diffs are between HQ >> and non-HQ? >> >> >> ///Greg Balint >> //Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer >> /321.514.4839 >> delRAZOR.com/ >> >> On 10/4/2012 7:54 PM, Gary Berendsen wrote: >>> I've been haing that as well, since cs6, well 5.5 as well. >>> prores non hq solved it for me. >>> >>> >>> *Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist* >>> *Czaar Peter Straat 157-159* >>> *1018 PJ Amsterdam* >>> *garyberendsen.com * >>> *gary@garyberendsen.com* >>> *+31614385398 * >>> *skype: garyberendsen* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 5, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Brian Maffitt >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. >>>> If that's true, this is something else. >>>> >>>> Brian >>>> >>>>> Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the >>>>> shift in fcp for final edit I guess it does matter. They >>>>> can't just gamma shift it back? >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing >>>>> a fairly well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. >>>>> It only affects how the movie looks when played in >>>>> Quicktime, not when used in another application. Take >>>>> a look at the same clip in VLC and see if it looks OK. >>>>> >>>>> > Hey all, >>>>> > >>>>> > I'm running into some gamma issues or something, >>>>> which I've never seen before. >>>>> > >>>>> > I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where >>>>> renders would come out lighter, almost looking like >>>>> their gamma was bumped up. I know what that looks like >>>>> and how to alleviate it. >>>>> > >>>>> > This however, is a completely different ball of yarn. >>>>> > >>>>> > Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my >>>>> client (who wo >>>>> > --------------000700010705040909000009 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I could probably do this, but "some" of the editors I've worked with in the past don't like working with sequences, or even a separate QT alpha file.. would rather have one layer to work with in FCP or Premiere.


///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
On 10/5/2012 1:40 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

I usually just spit out bw track matte sequences along with the jpg if I need alpha.

On Oct 5, 2012 1:35 PM, "Greg Balint" <greg@delrazor.com> wrote:
Thanks everyone for the help.

I ended up rendering everything out at PhotoJPEG 98%.. file-sizes went WAY down and the client loves the quality.. plus!!!!!! it fixed/didn't show the QT Gamma issue!  So I'm now a big fan.  My entire render folder was 5.59Gb. vs nearly 25Gb+ previously. My client actually called to ask if it had a hiccup in the uploads because of how small the folder was.

Does anyone know a similar QT codec to PhotoJPEG that can do Alpha Channel and doesn't disable MultiProcessing in AE like PNG codec does?

Basically I need an embedded alpha channel codec which looks pretty much uncompressed, 8-bit is probably fine, is useable with FCP on Mac and Premiere on PC, and doesn't take up a TON of space like Animation codec does, which also takes advantage of AE's MP capabilities.

///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
On 10/5/2012 7:11 AM, Darren H wrote:
Hi Greg,

The only difference is bit rate. HQ gives better quality at bigger file sizes, though in some cases where I've compared frames, I've struggled to see the difference. They're both 10bit. 

D. 

On Friday, 5 October 2012, Greg Balint wrote:

Can anyone, off hand, tell me what the diffs are between HQ and non-HQ?


///Greg Balint
//Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
/321.514.4839
delRAZOR.com/
On 10/4/2012 7:54 PM, Gary Berendsen wrote:
I've been haing that as well, since cs6, well 5.5 as well.
prores non hq solved it for me.


Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist
Czaar Peter Straat 157-159
1018 PJ Amsterdam
skype: garyberendsen






On Oct 5, 2012, at 1:52 AM, Brian Maffitt <brian@totaltraining.com> wrote:

I missed the detail about it showing up in the final edit. If that's true, this is something else.

Brian

Also this. I was gonna mention that. But if they see the shift in fcp for final edit I guess it does matter. They can't just gamma shift it back?

On Oct 4, 2012 7:46 PM, "Brian Maffitt" <brian@totaltraining.com> wrote:
Before you completely panic, I think you may be seeing a fairly well-know Quicktime-on-Windows display bug. It only affects how the movie looks when played in Quicktime, not when used in another application. Take a look at the same clip in VLC and see if it looks OK.

> Hey all,
>
> I'm running into some gamma issues or something, which I've never seen before.
>
> I've previously had issue with the H.264 bug, where renders would come out lighter, almost looking like their gamma was bumped up. I know what that looks like and how to alleviate it.
>
> This however, is a completely different ball of yarn.
>
> Basically.. I can take a ProRes 422 HQ file from my client (who wo


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