Return-Path: Received: from mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.52] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4867330 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:17:06 +0200 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vM.7.08.04.00 201-2186-134-20080326) with ESMTP id <20121009101913.DJIJ18581.mtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:19:13 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (really [80.5.201.216]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (InterMail vG.3.00.04.00 201-2196-133-20080908) with ESMTP id <20121009101912.XQYT8396.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.0.6]> for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:19:12 +0100 From: Angie-Taylor Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C3542316-79D7-4876-8962-1F1894512637" Subject: Re: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is... Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 11:19:10 +0100 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <85598734-2767-4AE9-8C6F-F0C7270231B0@ntlworld.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=GaEGOwq9FwezmTggA+b6yC6zDZF2HYaK6RN/tSqdnVA= c=1 sm=0 a=C1Q4n1JO_nIA:10 a=uObrxnre4hsA:10 a=WS7_NhPmAAAA:8 a=2fy77pZoAAAA:8 a=dDo3VYW4AAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=f3VchG6drMoFdSE4xHYA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=SrpMv_ytQi4A:10 a=ZF-vLlx_tRYA:10 a=FH4v7MWxjWAA:10 a=u2lSZytl-SQEmRDj:21 a=Tw79HUITc2rsRtDI:21 a=ZsGHq9l7AAAA:8 a=3j4BkbkPAAAA:8 a=jU4qhlNgAAAA:8 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ZxBCGYemTuEA:10 a=tfFfeCh6UVh5gYvp:21 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 --Apple-Mail=_C3542316-79D7-4876-8962-1F1894512637 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I agree with Jim, switching is good. I eventually found a great chair = after trying all sorts of expensive chairs and it's like having 3 chairs = in one. Everything is adjustable to I just adjust it slightly whenever I = get strain or tiredness. I have the base on a "free-float mechanism so = it moves as I move. Then i adjust armrests and back angle when I need = to.=20 http://www.rhchairs.co.uk/office-chairs/rh-activ/ I've had it for about 8 years and still love it. On my desk i have a small A5 Wacom, a Microsoft wireless mouse and a = traditional Apple mouse, I switch between all three. I also have a Space = Navigator and the buttons on my Wacom tablet which I program. I very = rarely use gestural stuff, i find it too unreliable. Cheers, Angie On 9 Oct 2012, at 09:36, Jim Tierney wrote: > Regarding the joystick, awhile back when I was running the Bay Area = Motion Graphics group we got a variety of vendors to give us a variety = of devices and had folks test them. > =20 > The joystick was one of the devices that stood out=85 sort of. We = bought a few of them here at Digital Anarchy and ultimately stopped = using them. Less stress on the wrist, but it puts a lot of stress on = your arm/shoulder. An improvement, but ultimately it just moves the = stress to a different area. > =20 > Patrick, I disagree with Shelby=92s advice regarding devices. I don=92t = think there is such a thing as a good mouse or trackpad when it comes to = RSI. Tablets when positioned and used correctly are the only thing I=92ve = found to really help with my RSI problems. Whenever I switch back to a = mouse or have to use trackpad on laptop it becomes a problem. In terms = of preventing RSI, switching devices is probably better than doing = nothing, but once you have serious RSI problems it becomes very clear = what devices help and which aggravate it. > =20 > I realize everyone=92s mileage will vary=85 but once you get used to = a tablet as a mouse replacement (NOT as a paint tool) and get a proper = chair/workstation setup, it=92s amazing the difference it makes. Part of = the trick is having adjustable arms on the chair (I=92ve got a Steelcase = chair which is great), so that your arm is lightly resting on the arm of = the chair while you=92re using the tablet and you can configure things = so you can sit upright and not have to extend your arm. > =20 > I use a Wacom 4x6 for my 1920x1080 monitor. This is not great as a = paint tablet for that size monitor, but as a mouse replacement it kicks = ass. I also LOVE the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. = Excellent keyboard. > =20 > If you don=92t have the space to have 3 desks and 3 types of chairs, = getting up and stretching frequently is extremely helpful. So yeah, = changing your position frequently is a great idea, but that can be done = through stretching as well as different types of workstations. Yoga and = learning how to stretch properly will help considerably. > =20 > =20 > Cheers, > Jim > ---------------=20 > Jim Tierney > President > Digital Anarchy > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of patrick siemer > Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:04 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is... > =20 > ...The next device you use. just don't use it for long. > For some time at Pixar we had a full-time Ergonomics expert named = Shelby.=20 > She was so good at her job, she actually worked her way out of a job. > Essentially, she had one Mantra about Ergonomics and preventing = Repetitive Stress Injury. =20 > "The Best Position is your next Position." > Everybody always wanted to know the best way to sit, the best mouse to = use, the best tablet, trackball, chair, Lifting desk, standing desk, = Yoga ball, etc. > Her answer was always the same, "All of them, and switch them often." > She encouraged people to sit however they wanted, but to change = positions, chairs and input devices often. As often as Possible, Many = times a day. > I had begun to experience a numbness in my mousing arm, but that = little bit of info saved my arm forever. > I learned to use a Yoga Ball sometimes, a Swopper stool sometimes, a = Freedom chair sometimes, and with the awesome Electro-Lifting desk,=20 > i could switch from sitting to standing with the push of a button. > Repetitive stress Injuries happen when you keep doing the same thing = over and over. > She taught the common-sense lesson "If your body is hurting from doing = something, Stop doing it." > If you switch things around enough, you'll never get to the Injury = hurting part. =20 > To service that advice, her office was like an ergonomic birthday = party for everyone who entered. > Every input device known to man, available for any worker who was = interested, to just take back to their office and get back to work In = Another Position. > When I mentioned that my arm was tingling, I had an electric desk the = next day. > It might sound excessive, but It wasn't just to coddle the artists, = preventing disabling injuries is just good business > =20 > Plus, Electric Lifting Desks are the most badass desks ever.=20 > I will always use one, as long as I have to look at a screen at work = or home. > =20 > Oh yeah, My Next Device is this little gadget, you can pre-order = now.... > =20 > https://leapmotion.com/ > =20 > finally!=20 > =20 > patrick siemer > tapeandglue.com > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Phil Spitler wrote: > Continuing on the thread of input devices.... > =20 > Anybody use a joystick with AE and OSX. > =20 > We are looking something like this. > =20 > = http://www.amazon.com/3M-Ergonomic-Optical-Compatible-EM500GPS/dp/B00008KW= WG > =20 > Any thoughts? > =20 > Phil > =20 > =20 > =20 > Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >=20 > Website | Facebook | LinkedIn > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail=_C3542316-79D7-4876-8962-1F1894512637 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I agree with Jim, switching is good. I eventually = found a great chair after trying all sorts of expensive chairs and it's = like having 3 chairs in one. Everything is adjustable to I just adjust = it slightly whenever I get strain or tiredness. I have the base on a = "free-float mechanism so it moves as I move. Then i adjust armrests and = back angle when I need to. 


I've had = it for about 8 years and still love it.

On my = desk i have a small A5 Wacom, a Microsoft wireless mouse and a = traditional Apple mouse, I switch between all three. I also have a Space = Navigator and the buttons on my Wacom tablet which I program. I very = rarely use gestural stuff, i find it too = unreliable.

Cheers,

Angi= e


On 9 Oct 2012, at = 09:36, Jim Tierney wrote:

Regarding the joystick, awhile = back when I was running the Bay Area Motion Graphics group we got a = variety of vendors to give us a variety of devices and had folks test = them.
The = joystick was one of the devices that stood out=85 sort of. We bought a = few of them here at Digital Anarchy and ultimately stopped using them. = Less stress on the wrist, but it puts a lot of stress on your = arm/shoulder. An improvement, but ultimately it just moves the stress to = a different area.
I = realize everyone=92s mileage will vary=85 but  once you get used to = a tablet as a mouse replacement (NOT as a paint tool) and get a proper = chair/workstation setup, it=92s amazing the difference it makes. Part of = the trick is having adjustable arms on the chair (I=92ve got a Steelcase = chair which is great), so that your arm is lightly resting on the arm of = the chair while you=92re using the tablet and you can configure things = so you can sit upright and not have to extend your = arm.
I use = a Wacom 4x6 for my 1920x1080 monitor. This is not great as a paint = tablet for that size monitor, but as a mouse replacement it kicks ass. I = also LOVE the Microsoft  Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. Excellent = keyboard.
If = you don=92t have the space to have 3 desks and 3 types of chairs, = getting up and stretching frequently is extremely helpful. So yeah, = changing your position frequently is a great idea, but that can be done = through stretching as well as different types of workstations. Yoga and = learning how to stretch properly will help = considerably.
Jim Tierney
From: After Effects Mail List = [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of patrick = siemer
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 = 8:04 PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: [AE] The best ergonomic = input device is...
 
...The next = device you use. just don't use it for long.
For some time at  Pixar we had a full-time = Ergonomics expert named Shelby. 
She was so good at her job, she actually worked her way = out of a job.
Essentially, she had one = Mantra about Ergonomics and preventing Repetitive Stress Injury. =  
"The Best Position is = your next Position."
Everybody = always wanted to know the best way to sit, the best mouse to use, the = best tablet, trackball, chair, Lifting desk, standing desk, Yoga ball, = etc.
Her answer was always the = same,  "All of them, and switch them = often."
She encouraged people to = sit however they wanted, but to change positions, chairs and input = devices often. As often as Possible, Many times a = day.
I had begun to experience = a numbness in my mousing arm, but that little bit of info saved my arm = forever.
I learned to use a Yoga = Ball sometimes, a Swopper stool sometimes, a Freedom chair sometimes, = and with the awesome Electro-Lifting = desk, 
i could switch from = sitting to standing with the push of a = button.
Repetitive stress = Injuries happen when you keep doing the same thing over and = over.
She taught the = common-sense lesson "If your body is hurting from doing something, Stop = doing it."
If you switch things = around enough, you'll never get to the Injury hurting part. =  
To service that advice, = her office was like an ergonomic birthday party for everyone who = entered.
Every input device known = to man, available for any worker who was interested, to just take = back to their office and get back to work  In Another = Position.
When I mentioned that my = arm was tingling, I had an electric desk the next = day.
It might sound excessive, = but It wasn't just to coddle the artists, preventing disabling injuries = is just good business
Plus, Electric Lifting = Desks are the most badass desks = ever. 
I will always use one, as = long as I have to look at a screen at work or = home.
Oh yeah, My Next Device = is this little gadget, you can pre-order = now....
 
 
 
On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Phil Spitler = wrote:
Continuing on the thread of = input devices....
Anybody use a joystick = with AE and OSX.
We are looking something = like this.