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To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044280f0ce505904cba07bda --f46d044280f0ce505904cba07bda Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great OT thread. In a field like ours, ergonomics is paramount. It is totally possible and likely that you will injure yourself out of a job with the wrong practices. I concur with Jim that a tablet is a great mouse replacement. I can't use a mouse for more than a few minutes a day without irritation. I can use a tablet all day and feel fine. Thanks for the link to the Leap Motion. That looks awesome. How well does a stand up desk work when using a tablet? I'm considering raising my desk to stand and get a tall chair for times when I need to sit. On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Angie-Taylor wro= te: > I agree with Jim, switching is good. I eventually found a great chair > after trying all sorts of expensive chairs and it's like having 3 chairs = in > one. Everything is adjustable to I just adjust it slightly whenever I get > strain or tiredness. I have the base on a "free-float mechanism so it mov= es > as I move. Then i adjust armrests and back angle when I need to. > > http://www.rhchairs.co.uk/office-chairs/rh-activ/ > > I've had it for about 8 years and still love it. > > On my desk i have a small A5 Wacom, a Microsoft wireless mouse and a > traditional Apple mouse, I switch between all three. I also have a Space > Navigator and the buttons on my Wacom tablet which I program. I very rare= ly > use gestural stuff, i find it too unreliable. > > Cheers, > > Angie > > > On 9 Oct 2012, at 09:36, Jim Tierney wrote: > > Regarding the joystick, awhile back when I was running the Bay Area Motio= n > Graphics group we got a variety of vendors to give us a variety of device= s > and had folks test them.**** > ** ** > The joystick was one of the devices that stood out=85 sort of. We bought = a > few of them here at Digital Anarchy and ultimately stopped using them. Le= ss > stress on the wrist, but it puts a lot of stress on your arm/shoulder. An > improvement, but ultimately it just moves the stress to a different area.= * > *** > ** ** > Patrick, I disagree with Shelby=92s advice regarding devices. I don=92t t= hink > there is such a thing as a good mouse or trackpad when it comes to RSI. > Tablets when positioned and used correctly are the only thing I=92ve foun= d to > really help with my RSI problems. Whenever I switch back to a mouse or ha= ve > to use trackpad on laptop it becomes a problem. In terms of preventing RS= I, > switching devices is probably better than doing nothing, but once you hav= e > serious RSI problems it becomes very clear what devices help and which > aggravate it.**** > ** ** > I realize everyone=92s mileage will vary=85 but once you get used to a t= ablet > as a mouse replacement (NOT as a paint tool) and get a proper > chair/workstation setup, it=92s amazing the difference it makes. Part of = the > trick is having adjustable arms on the chair (I=92ve got a Steelcase chai= r > which is great), so that your arm is lightly resting on the arm of the > chair while you=92re using the tablet and you can configure things so you= can > sit upright and not have to extend your arm.**** > ** ** > I use a Wacom 4x6 for my 1920x1080 monitor. This is not great as a paint > tablet for that size monitor, but as a mouse replacement it kicks ass. I > also LOVE the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. Excellent > keyboard.**** > ** ** > If you don=92t have the space to have 3 desks and 3 types of chairs, gett= ing > up and stretching frequently is extremely helpful. So yeah, changing your > position frequently is a great idea, but that can be done through > stretching as well as different types of workstations. Yoga and learning > how to stretch properly will help considerably.**** > ** ** > ** ** > Cheers,**** > Jim**** > --------------- **** > Jim Tierney**** > President**** > Digital Anarchy**** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *patrick siemer > *Sent:* Monday, October 08, 2012 8:04 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* [AE] The best ergonomic input device is...**** > ** ** > ...The next device you use. just don't use it for long.**** > For some time at Pixar we had a full-time Ergonomics expert named Shelby= . > **** > She was so good at her job, she actually worked her way out of a job.**** > Essentially, she had one Mantra about Ergonomics and preventing Repetitiv= e > Stress Injury. **** > "The Best Position is your next Position."**** > Everybody always wanted to know the best way to sit, the best mouse to > use, the best tablet, trackball, chair, Lifting desk, standing desk, Yoga > ball, etc.**** > Her answer was always the same, "All of them, and switch them often."***= * > She encouraged people to sit however they wanted, but to change positions= , > chairs and input devices often. As often as Possible, Many times a day.**= * > * > I had begun to experience a numbness in my mousing arm, but that little > bit of info saved my arm forever.**** > I learned to use a Yoga Ball sometimes, a Swopper stool sometimes, a > Freedom chair sometimes, and with the awesome Electro-Lifting desk, **** > i could switch from sitting to standing with the push of a button.**** > Repetitive stress Injuries happen when you keep doing the same thing over > and over.**** > She taught the common-sense lesson "If your body is hurting from doing > something, Stop doing it."**** > If you switch things around enough, you'll never get to the Injury hurtin= g > part. **** > To service that advice, her office was like an ergonomic birthday party > for everyone who entered.**** > Every input device known to man, available for any worker who was > interested, to just take back to their office and get back to work In > Another Position.**** > When I mentioned that my arm was tingling, I had an electric desk the nex= t > day.**** > It might sound excessive, but It wasn't just to coddle the artists, > preventing disabling injuries is just good business**** > ** ** > Plus, Electric Lifting Desks are the most badass desks ever. **** > I will always use one, as long as I have to look at a screen at work or > home.**** > ** ** > Oh yeah, My Next Device is this little gadget, you can pre-order now....*= * > ** > ** ** > https://leapmotion.com/**** > ** ** > finally! **** > ** ** > patrick siemer**** > tapeandglue.com**** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Phil Spitler wrote:**** > > Continuing on the thread of input devices....**** > ** ** > Anybody use a joystick with AE and OSX.**** > ** ** > We are looking something like this.**** > ** ** > > http://www.amazon.com/3M-Ergonomic-Optical-Compatible-EM500GPS/dp/B00008K= WWG > **** > ** ** > Any thoughts?**** > ** ** > Phil**** > ** ** > ** ** > ** ** > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook > | LinkedIn **** > ** ** > > ** ** > > > --f46d044280f0ce505904cba07bda Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Great OT thread. In a field like ours, ergonomics is paramount. It is total= ly possible and likely that you will injure yourself out of a job with the = wrong practices. I concur with Jim that a tablet is a great mouse replaceme= nt. I can't use a mouse for more than a few minutes a day without irrit= ation. I can use a tablet all day and feel fine. Thanks for the link to the= Leap Motion. That looks awesome. =A0

How well does a stand up desk work when using a tablet? I= 9;m considering raising my desk to stand and get a tall chair for times whe= n I need to sit.=A0

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 a= t 6:19 AM, Angie-Taylor <angie-taylor@ntlworld.com> = wrote:
I agree = with Jim, switching is good. I eventually found a great chair after trying = all sorts of expensive chairs and it's like having 3 chairs in one. Eve= rything is adjustable to I just adjust it slightly whenever I get strain or= tiredness. I have the base on a "free-float mechanism so it moves as = I move. Then i adjust armrests and back angle when I need to.=A0
I've had it for about 8 years and still love it.

On my desk i have a small A5 Wacom, a Microsoft wireles= s mouse and a traditional Apple mouse, I switch between all three. I also h= ave a Space Navigator and the buttons on my Wacom tablet which I program. I= very rarely use gestural stuff, i find it too unreliable.

Cheers,

Angie


On 9 Oct 2012, at = 09:36, Jim Tierney wrote:

= Regarding the joystick, awhile back when I was running the Bay Area= Motion Graphics group we got a variety of vendors to give us a variety of = devices and had folks test them.
=A0
The joystick was one of the devices that stood out=85 sort of. We bought= a few of them here at Digital Anarchy and ultimately stopped using them. L= ess stress on the wrist, but it puts a lot of stress on your arm/shoulder. = An improvement, but ultimately it just moves the stress to a different area= .
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Patrick, I disagree with Shelby=92s advice regarding devices. I don=92t = think there is such a thing as a good mouse or trackpad when it comes to RS= I. Tablets when positioned and used correctly are the only thing I=92ve fou= nd to really help with my RSI problems. Whenever I switch back to a mouse o= r have to use trackpad on laptop it becomes a problem. In terms of preventi= ng RSI, switching devices is probably better than doing nothing, but once y= ou have serious RSI problems it becomes very clear what devices help and wh= ich aggravate it.
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I realize everyone=92s mileage will vary=85 but=A0 once you get used to = a tablet as a mouse replacement (NOT as a paint tool) and get a proper chai= r/workstation setup, it=92s amazing the difference it makes. Part of the tr= ick is having adjustable arms on the chair (I=92ve got a Steelcase chair wh= ich is great), so that your arm is lightly resting on the arm of the chair = while you=92re using the tablet and you can configure things so you can sit= upright and not have to extend your arm.
=A0
I use a Wacom 4x6 for my 1920x1080 monitor. This is not great as a paint= tablet for that size monitor, but as a mouse replacement it kicks ass. I a= lso LOVE the Microsoft=A0 Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. Excellent keyboa= rd.
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If you don=92t have the space to have 3 desks and 3 types of chairs, get= ting up and stretching frequently is extremely helpful. So yeah, changing y= our position frequently is a great idea, but that can be done through stret= ching as well as different types of workstations. Yoga and learning how to = stretch properly will help considerably.
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Cheers,
Jim
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Jim Tierney
President
Digital Anarchy
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From:= =A0After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv]=A0On Behal= f Of=A0patrick siemer
Sent:=A0Monday, October 08, 2012 8:04 PM
To:<= span>=A0After Effects Mail List
Subject:=A0[A= E] The best ergonomic input device is...
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...The next device you use. just don't use it for long.
For some time at =A0Pixar we had a full-time Ergonomics expert named Shelby= .=A0
She was so good at her job, she actually worked her way out of a job.
Essentially, she had one Mantra about Ergonomics and preventing Repetitive = Stress Injury. =A0
"The Best Position is your next Position."
Everybody always wanted to know the best way to sit, the best mouse to use,= the best tablet, trackball, chair, Lifting desk, standing desk, Yoga ball,= etc.
Her answer was always the same, =A0"All of them, and switch them often= ."
She encouraged people to sit however they wanted, but to change positions, = chairs and input devices often. As often as Possible, Many times a day.<= /u>
I had begun to experience a numbness in my mousing arm, but that little bit= of info saved my arm forever.
I learned to use a Yoga Ball sometimes, a Swopper stool sometimes, a Freedo= m chair sometimes, and with the awesome Electro-Lifting desk,=A0<= /u>
i could switch from sitting to standing with the push of a button.
Repetitive stress Injuries happen when you keep doing the same thing over a= nd over.
She taught the common-sense lesson "If your body is hurting from doing= something, Stop doing it."
If you switch things around enough, you'll never get to the Injury hurt= ing part. =A0
To service that advice, her office was like an ergonomic birthday party for= everyone who entered.
Every input device known to man,=A0available for any worker who was interes= ted, to just take back to their office and get back to work =A0In Another P= osition.
When I mentioned that my arm was tingling, I had an electric desk the next = day.
It might sound excessive, but It wasn't just to coddle the artists, pre= venting disabling injuries is just good business
<= div>
=A0
Plus, Electric Lifting Desks are the most bada= ss desks ever.=A0
I will always use one, as long as I have to look at a screen at work = or home.
=A0
Oh yeah, My Next Device is this little gadget, you can pre-order now....=
=A0
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finally!=A0
=A0
patrick siemer
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On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Phil Spitler wrote:
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Continuing on the thread of input devices....
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Anybody use a joystick with AE and OSX.
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We are looking something like this.
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Any thoughts?
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Phil
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Phil Spitler=A0 |=A0 Creative Technologist =A0 |=A0= =A0Bonfire Labs=A0 |=A0 t : 415.394.8200=A0 m : 415.571.3139=

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