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[108.46.190.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em3sm21079097qab.5.2012.10.09.06.59.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Oct 2012 06:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Maffitt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_29AAAF7F-B051-49CE-AF2E-6C356EC6124B" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is... Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 09:59:11 -0400 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnqQegA75yZLtRwayvojBJEqbWFwYfQ007eIIw6IIIMJmyrTweLu9IjRmDfjVxDpFF5M8w2 --Apple-Mail=_29AAAF7F-B051-49CE-AF2E-6C356EC6124B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 It's funny, I'm exactly the opposite. Something about having to grip the = stylus makes my hand cramp up after a short period of time. And a = trackball was never precise enough for my me.=20 When I do get sore from too much mouse usage, as Jim said, I change the = height of my chair arms and in a worst case, add a pillow, and I'm fine = by the next day. I love tablets for painting, but not for general input. And as Jim also said, your mileage may vary. Everybody is different; = find what works for you. Brian > Great OT thread. In a field like ours, ergonomics is paramount. It is = totally possible and likely that you will injure yourself out of a job = with the wrong practices. I concur with Jim that a tablet is a great = mouse replacement. I can't use a mouse for more than a few minutes a day = without irritation. I can use a tablet all day and feel fine. Thanks for = the link to the Leap Motion. That looks awesome. =20 >=20 > How well does a stand up desk work when using a tablet? I'm = considering raising my desk to stand and get a tall chair for times when = I need to sit.=20 >=20 > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Angie-Taylor = wrote: > I agree with Jim, switching is good. I eventually found a great chair = after trying all sorts of expensive chairs and it's like having 3 chairs = in one. Everything is adjustable to I just adjust it slightly whenever I = get strain or tiredness. I have the base on a "free-float mechanism so = it moves as I move. Then i adjust armrests and back angle when I need = to.=20 >=20 > http://www.rhchairs.co.uk/office-chairs/rh-activ/ >=20 > I've had it for about 8 years and still love it. >=20 > On my desk i have a small A5 Wacom, a Microsoft wireless mouse and a = traditional Apple mouse, I switch between all three. I also have a Space = Navigator and the buttons on my Wacom tablet which I program. I very = rarely use gestural stuff, i find it too unreliable. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Angie >=20 >=20 > On 9 Oct 2012, at 09:36, Jim Tierney wrote: >=20 >> Regarding the joystick, awhile back when I was running the Bay Area = Motion Graphics group we got a variety of vendors to give us a variety = of devices and had folks test them. >> =20 >> The joystick was one of the devices that stood out=85 sort of. We = bought a few of them here at Digital Anarchy and ultimately stopped = using them. Less stress on the wrist, but it puts a lot of stress on = your arm/shoulder. An improvement, but ultimately it just moves the = stress to a different area. >> =20 >> Patrick, I disagree with Shelby=92s advice regarding devices. I don=92t= think there is such a thing as a good mouse or trackpad when it comes = to RSI. Tablets when positioned and used correctly are the only thing = I=92ve found to really help with my RSI problems. Whenever I switch back = to a mouse or have to use trackpad on laptop it becomes a problem. In = terms of preventing RSI, switching devices is probably better than doing = nothing, but once you have serious RSI problems it becomes very clear = what devices help and which aggravate it. >> =20 >> I realize everyone=92s mileage will vary=85 but once you get used to = a tablet as a mouse replacement (NOT as a paint tool) and get a proper = chair/workstation setup, it=92s amazing the difference it makes. Part of = the trick is having adjustable arms on the chair (I=92ve got a Steelcase = chair which is great), so that your arm is lightly resting on the arm of = the chair while you=92re using the tablet and you can configure things = so you can sit upright and not have to extend your arm. >> =20 >> I use a Wacom 4x6 for my 1920x1080 monitor. This is not great as a = paint tablet for that size monitor, but as a mouse replacement it kicks = ass. I also LOVE the Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. = Excellent keyboard. >> =20 >> If you don=92t have the space to have 3 desks and 3 types of chairs, = getting up and stretching frequently is extremely helpful. So yeah, = changing your position frequently is a great idea, but that can be done = through stretching as well as different types of workstations. Yoga and = learning how to stretch properly will help considerably. >> =20 >> =20 >> Cheers, >> Jim >> ---------------=20 >> Jim Tierney >> President >> Digital Anarchy >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of patrick siemer >> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:04 PM >> To: After Effects Mail List >> Subject: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is... >> =20 >> ...The next device you use. just don't use it for long. >> For some time at Pixar we had a full-time Ergonomics expert named = Shelby.=20 >> She was so good at her job, she actually worked her way out of a job. >> Essentially, she had one Mantra about Ergonomics and preventing = Repetitive Stress Injury. =20 >> "The Best Position is your next Position." >> Everybody always wanted to know the best way to sit, the best mouse = to use, the best tablet, trackball, chair, Lifting desk, standing desk, = Yoga ball, etc. >> Her answer was always the same, "All of them, and switch them = often." >> She encouraged people to sit however they wanted, but to change = positions, chairs and input devices often. As often as Possible, Many = times a day. >> I had begun to experience a numbness in my mousing arm, but that = little bit of info saved my arm forever. >> I learned to use a Yoga Ball sometimes, a Swopper stool sometimes, a = Freedom chair sometimes, and with the awesome Electro-Lifting desk,=20 >> i could switch from sitting to standing with the push of a button. >> Repetitive stress Injuries happen when you keep doing the same thing = over and over. >> She taught the common-sense lesson "If your body is hurting from = doing something, Stop doing it." >> If you switch things around enough, you'll never get to the Injury = hurting part. =20 >> To service that advice, her office was like an ergonomic birthday = party for everyone who entered. >> Every input device known to man, available for any worker who was = interested, to just take back to their office and get back to work In = Another Position. >> When I mentioned that my arm was tingling, I had an electric desk the = next day. >> It might sound excessive, but It wasn't just to coddle the artists, = preventing disabling injuries is just good business >> =20 >> Plus, Electric Lifting Desks are the most badass desks ever.=20 >> I will always use one, as long as I have to look at a screen at work = or home. >> =20 >> Oh yeah, My Next Device is this little gadget, you can pre-order = now.... >> =20 >> https://leapmotion.com/ >> =20 >> finally!=20 >> =20 >> patrick siemer >> tapeandglue.com >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Phil Spitler wrote: >> Continuing on the thread of input devices.... >> =20 >> Anybody use a joystick with AE and OSX. >> =20 >> We are looking something like this. >> =20 >> = http://www.amazon.com/3M-Ergonomic-Optical-Compatible-EM500GPS/dp/B00008KW= WG >> =20 >> Any thoughts? >> =20 >> Phil >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 >>=20 >> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn >> =20 >> =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_29AAAF7F-B051-49CE-AF2E-6C356EC6124B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Great OT = thread. In a field like ours, ergonomics is paramount. It is totally = possible and likely that you will injure yourself out of a job with the = wrong practices. I concur with Jim that a tablet is a great mouse = replacement. I can't use a mouse for more than a few minutes a day = without irritation. I can use a tablet all day and feel fine. Thanks for = the link to the Leap Motion. That looks awesome.  

How well does a stand up desk work when using a tablet? = I'm considering raising my desk to stand and get a tall chair for times = when I need to sit. 

On Tue, Oct = 9, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Angie-Taylor <angie-taylor@ntlworld.com> wrote:
I agree with Jim, switching is good. I = eventually found a great chair after trying all sorts of expensive = chairs and it's like having 3 chairs in one. Everything is adjustable to = I just adjust it slightly whenever I get strain or tiredness. I have the = base on a "free-float mechanism so it moves as I move. Then i adjust = armrests and back angle when I need to. 

http://www.rhchairs.co.uk/office-chairs/rh-activ/

I've had it for about 8 years and still love = it.

On my desk i have a small A5 Wacom, a Microsoft = wireless mouse and a traditional Apple mouse, I switch between all = three. I also have a Space Navigator and the buttons on my Wacom tablet = which I program. I very rarely use gestural stuff, i find it too = unreliable.
=

Cheers,

Angie


On 9 Oct 2012, = at 09:36, Jim Tierney wrote:

Regarding the joystick, awhile back when I was running the Bay Area = Motion Graphics group we got a variety of vendors to give us a variety = of devices and had folks test them.
 
The joystick was one of the devices that stood out=85 sort of. We = bought a few of them here at Digital Anarchy and ultimately stopped = using them. Less stress on the wrist, but it puts a lot of stress on = your arm/shoulder. An improvement, but ultimately it just moves the = stress to a different area.
 
Patrick, I disagree with Shelby=92s advice regarding devices. I don=92t= think there is such a thing as a good mouse or trackpad when it comes = to RSI. Tablets when positioned and used correctly are the only thing = I=92ve found to really help with my RSI problems. Whenever I switch back = to a mouse or have to use trackpad on laptop it becomes a problem. In = terms of preventing RSI, switching devices is probably better than doing = nothing, but once you have serious RSI problems it becomes very clear = what devices help and which aggravate it.
 
I realize everyone=92s mileage will vary=85 but  once you get = used to a tablet as a mouse replacement (NOT as a paint tool) and get a = proper chair/workstation setup, it=92s amazing the difference it makes. = Part of the trick is having adjustable arms on the chair (I=92ve got a = Steelcase chair which is great), so that your arm is lightly resting on = the arm of the chair while you=92re using the tablet and you can = configure things so you can sit upright and not have to extend your = arm.
 
I use a Wacom 4x6 for my 1920x1080 monitor. This is not great as a = paint tablet for that size monitor, but as a mouse replacement it kicks = ass. I also LOVE the Microsoft  Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. = Excellent keyboard.
 
If you don=92t have the space to have 3 desks and 3 types of chairs, = getting up and stretching frequently is extremely helpful. So yeah, = changing your position frequently is a great idea, but that can be done = through stretching as well as different types of workstations. Yoga and = learning how to stretch properly will help = considerably.
 
 
Cheers,
Jim
--------------- 
Jim Tierney
President
Digital Anarchy
 
 
 
 
From: = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of patrick siemer
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:04 = PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: [AE] The best ergonomic input = device is...
 
...The next device you use. just don't use it for = long.
For some time at  Pixar we had a full-time Ergonomics expert named = Shelby. 
She was so good at her job, she actually worked her way out of a = job.
Essentially, she had one Mantra about Ergonomics and preventing = Repetitive Stress Injury.  
"The Best Position is your next = Position."
Everybody always wanted to know the best way to sit, the best mouse to = use, the best tablet, trackball, chair, Lifting desk, standing desk, = Yoga ball, etc.
Her answer was always the same,  "All of them, and switch them = often."
She encouraged people to sit however they wanted, but to change = positions, chairs and input devices often. As often as Possible, Many = times a day.
I had begun to experience a numbness in my mousing arm, but that little = bit of info saved my arm forever.
I learned to use a Yoga Ball sometimes, a Swopper stool sometimes, a = Freedom chair sometimes, and with the awesome Electro-Lifting = desk, 
i could switch from sitting to standing with the push of a = button.
Repetitive stress Injuries happen when you keep doing the same thing = over and over.
She taught the common-sense lesson "If your body is hurting from doing = something, Stop doing it."
If you switch things around enough, you'll never get to the Injury = hurting part.  
To service that advice, her office was like an ergonomic birthday party = for everyone who entered.
Every input device known to man, available for any worker who was = interested, to just take back to their office and get back to work =  In Another Position.
When I mentioned that my arm was tingling, I had an electric desk the = next day.
It might sound excessive, but It wasn't just to coddle the artists, = preventing disabling injuries is just good = business
 
Plus, Electric = Lifting Desks are the most badass desks ever. 
I will always = use one, as long as I have to look at a screen at work or = home.
 
Oh yeah, My Next Device is this little gadget, you can pre-order = now....
 
 
finally! 
 
patrick siemer
 
 
 
On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Phil Spitler = wrote:
Continuing on the thread of input = devices....
 
Anybody use a = joystick with AE and OSX.
 
We are looking something like this.
 
 
Any thoughts?
 
Phil
 
 
 
Phil Spitler  = |  Creative Technologist   = |  Bonfire Labs  |  t : 415.394.8200  m : 415.571.3139

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