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From: Louai Abu-Osba <me@louai.org>
Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 10:46:36 -0400
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Subject: Re: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is...
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> How well does a stand up desk work when using a tablet? I'm considering
> raising my desk to stand and get a tall chair for times when I need to si=
t.

LOVE IT. I got RSI, neck and back problems at the ripe old age of 20
and had to go through high dosage ibuprofen treatments, cold/hot
packs, phys therapy, acupuncture, wrist braces, etc to get rid of all
the problems. An adjustable standing desk and daily exercise have kept
me healthily computing ever since. I have a geekdesk and I love it.
Being able to sit to stand is wonderful, and i only use a tablet.  I
love being able to work on hands on projects at my desk as I can raise
the desk to a more workbench level.

-louai

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Byron Nash <byronnash@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great OT thread. In a field like ours, ergonomics is paramount. It is
> totally possible and likely that you will injure yourself out of a job wi=
th
> the wrong practices. I concur with Jim that a tablet is a great mouse
> replacement. I can't use a mouse for more than a few minutes a day withou=
t
> irritation. I can use a tablet all day and feel fine. Thanks for the link=
 to
> the Leap Motion. That looks awesome.
>

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Angie-Taylor <angie-taylor@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Jim, switching is good. I eventually found a great chair
>> after trying all sorts of expensive chairs and it's like having 3 chairs=
 in
>> one. Everything is adjustable to I just adjust it slightly whenever I ge=
t
>> strain or tiredness. I have the base on a "free-float mechanism so it mo=
ves
>> as I move. Then i adjust armrests and back angle when I need to.
>>
>> http://www.rhchairs.co.uk/office-chairs/rh-activ/
>>
>> I've had it for about 8 years and still love it.
>>
>> On my desk i have a small A5 Wacom, a Microsoft wireless mouse and a
>> traditional Apple mouse, I switch between all three. I also have a Space
>> Navigator and the buttons on my Wacom tablet which I program. I very rar=
ely
>> use gestural stuff, i find it too unreliable.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Angie
>>
>>
>> On 9 Oct 2012, at 09:36, Jim Tierney wrote:
>>
>> Regarding the joystick, awhile back when I was running the Bay Area Moti=
on
>> Graphics group we got a variety of vendors to give us a variety of devic=
es
>> and had folks test them.
>>
>> The joystick was one of the devices that stood out=85 sort of. We bought=
 a
>> few of them here at Digital Anarchy and ultimately stopped using them. L=
ess
>> stress on the wrist, but it puts a lot of stress on your arm/shoulder. A=
n
>> improvement, but ultimately it just moves the stress to a different area=
.
>>
>> Patrick, I disagree with Shelby=92s advice regarding devices. I don=92t =
think
>> there is such a thing as a good mouse or trackpad when it comes to RSI.
>> Tablets when positioned and used correctly are the only thing I=92ve fou=
nd to
>> really help with my RSI problems. Whenever I switch back to a mouse or h=
ave
>> to use trackpad on laptop it becomes a problem. In terms of preventing R=
SI,
>> switching devices is probably better than doing nothing, but once you ha=
ve
>> serious RSI problems it becomes very clear what devices help and which
>> aggravate it.
>>
>> I realize everyone=92s mileage will vary=85 but  once you get used to a =
tablet
>> as a mouse replacement (NOT as a paint tool) and get a proper
>> chair/workstation setup, it=92s amazing the difference it makes. Part of=
 the
>> trick is having adjustable arms on the chair (I=92ve got a Steelcase cha=
ir
>> which is great), so that your arm is lightly resting on the arm of the c=
hair
>> while you=92re using the tablet and you can configure things so you can =
sit
>> upright and not have to extend your arm.
>>
>> I use a Wacom 4x6 for my 1920x1080 monitor. This is not great as a paint
>> tablet for that size monitor, but as a mouse replacement it kicks ass. I
>> also LOVE the Microsoft  Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard. Excellent
>> keyboard.
>>
>> If you don=92t have the space to have 3 desks and 3 types of chairs, get=
ting
>> up and stretching frequently is extremely helpful. So yeah, changing you=
r
>> position frequently is a great idea, but that can be done through stretc=
hing
>> as well as different types of workstations. Yoga and learning how to str=
etch
>> properly will help considerably.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jim
>> ---------------
>> Jim Tierney
>> President
>> Digital Anarchy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf
>> Of patrick siemer
>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 8:04 PM
>> To: After Effects Mail List
>> Subject: [AE] The best ergonomic input device is...
>>
>> ...The next device you use. just don't use it for long.
>> For some time at  Pixar we had a full-time Ergonomics expert named Shelb=
y.
>> She was so good at her job, she actually worked her way out of a job.
>> Essentially, she had one Mantra about Ergonomics and preventing Repetiti=
ve
>> Stress Injury.
>> "The Best Position is your next Position."
>> Everybody always wanted to know the best way to sit, the best mouse to
>> use, the best tablet, trackball, chair, Lifting desk, standing desk, Yog=
a
>> ball, etc.
>> Her answer was always the same,  "All of them, and switch them often."
>> She encouraged people to sit however they wanted, but to change position=
s,
>> chairs and input devices often. As often as Possible, Many times a day.
>> I had begun to experience a numbness in my mousing arm, but that little
>> bit of info saved my arm forever.
>> I learned to use a Yoga Ball sometimes, a Swopper stool sometimes, a
>> Freedom chair sometimes, and with the awesome Electro-Lifting desk,
>> i could switch from sitting to standing with the push of a button.
>> Repetitive stress Injuries happen when you keep doing the same thing ove=
r
>> and over.
>> She taught the common-sense lesson "If your body is hurting from doing
>> something, Stop doing it."
>> If you switch things around enough, you'll never get to the Injury hurti=
ng
>> part.
>> To service that advice, her office was like an ergonomic birthday party
>> for everyone who entered.
>> Every input device known to man, available for any worker who was
>> interested, to just take back to their office and get back to work  In
>> Another Position.
>> When I mentioned that my arm was tingling, I had an electric desk the ne=
xt
>> day.
>> It might sound excessive, but It wasn't just to coddle the artists,
>> preventing disabling injuries is just good business
>>
>> Plus, Electric Lifting Desks are the most badass desks ever.
>> I will always use one, as long as I have to look at a screen at work or
>> home.
>>
>> Oh yeah, My Next Device is this little gadget, you can pre-order now....
>>
>> https://leapmotion.com/
>>
>> finally!
>>
>> patrick siemer
>> tapeandglue.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 8, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Phil Spitler wrote:
>>
>> Continuing on the thread of input devices....
>>
>> Anybody use a joystick with AE and OSX.
>>
>> We are looking something like this.
>>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/3M-Ergonomic-Optical-Compatible-EM500GPS/dp/B00008=
KWWG
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil Spitler  |  Creative Technologist   |  Bonfire Labs  |  t :
>> 415.394.8200  m : 415.571.3139
>>
>> Website | Facebook | LinkedIn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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