Return-Path: Received: from mail-oa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.219.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4873676 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 16 Oct 2012 05:47:09 +0200 Received: by mail-oa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id k14so5645693oag.28 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:49:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kuf8I7RaMlPwflkV0FmfBvlkw8U5NWHJMlwAHbKPU2g=; b=FN2/MjRyh0lrV7uMk8TDIWCTy2SSEl39FikensEdqkFCoI7PSL3H/ahhf6z7NnWOKB QsgRswt+qUquUexk+Nv3m1/PcyBCjNxxTEJsoOH7S/f+qeVptYBqu1Sltp0nC+szG3Jn C+c+ch37hmHIR8/An4JX5GyXTn1GklvxDH2MWAvqU7hftg8cYy77sY4WKpwZesym0DEG o1LG5Mzodqh3p3DHKaKydXsjpDAyA+tDTQrO1uFaPbYXBX/y7q7LOR/NlQBJx8xWpZqH oF05N583s8KY1SSsoj6JccmLYijuRJxrAh55ky4Yp0YUhHrEcgVBeMtWV6zVZhjK5hsq DIbw== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.95.205 with SMTP id dm13mr11526375obb.9.1350359368317; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:49:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.7.231 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Oct 2012 20:49:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:49:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] RED in CS6 From: rendernyc To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b632077ba5c04cc250a61 --14dae93b632077ba5c04cc250a61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 any chance your footage is 120FPS? ;) that does seem pretty high have you tried to do the same export using RCX? On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:44 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > Not sure what else could be going on, it's the same on multiple machines > both local and across the SAN. > > A ten second clip, no effects, no scaling rendered out of AE to a 5k > ProResHQ took 57 minutes...... > > Yup, almost an hour to convert 10 seconds.... > > Insane. > > Phil > > > > > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook > | LinkedIn > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: > > I hope you find a big improvement when you load CS6 but I have a feeling > something else might be going on. I didn't actually notice a performance > difference moving from CS5.5 to CS6 for Red but maybe I was sleeping. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-10-15, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > Thanks Tim, the idea would be to get a Red Rocket for my workstation then > dump the renders onto our farm but with these slow renders that is not > feasible. > > I really want to avoid having to transcode all the footage into anther > format for a whole host of reasons... > > Let's see how my CS6 test go tomorrow. > > Thanks. > > Phil > > > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook > | LinkedIn > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 2012, at 6:25 PM, Tim Clapham wrote: > > If you are working with a lot of R3D files then perhaps it is worth > investing in a Red Rocket card. The debayer process is realtime and can > save you hours of time compared with using software. Although if you are > not dealing with many files it could be a tad expensive at just under $5K > > > ___* * > > *Tim Clapham* > Director > ___ > > *LUXX* > 3D Animation > Motion Graphics > ___ > > *web :* luxx.com.au > *blog :* helloluxx.com > > > > On 16/10/2012, at 12:10 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > Hmmmm I'm gonna try CS6 tomorrow. > > Can't believe how slow this is in CS5.5 > > Hoping it is ok in CS6. > > Cheers. > > Phil > > > > Phil Spitler | Creative Technologist | Bonfire Labs | t : > 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com > > "Get Social" - http://www.facebook.com/bonfirelabs > > On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: > > I was rendering out full 5K. I don't think that scaling would make much > difference. I'm using the latest build of CS6. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-10-15, at 6:31 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > Weird, I am also on a really fast SAN and my files are 5k HD which are > smaller than yours. > > I have mine in a 1920x1080 comp so I am scaling too which could be part of > the problem. > > Were you rendering 5k or 1080? > > Are you using CS5.5 or CS6 ? > > I would LOVE to get to the bottom of this...... > > Thanks Jack > > Phil > > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook| > LinkedIn > > On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: > > Okay, just did a quick test with the same keys etc you are using but my > Epic 5K footage is 5120x2160 so 2.37 aspect. Set a key to render out a 10 > second clip and estimated time is 4 minutes on a 12 core Mac with 32 gigs > of ram. You have something that's really slowing down your system. I am > accessing files through fibre on a very fast SAN, but there is definitely > something going on. In fact it rendered out and finished before I could > finish typing this email. > > Jack Tunnicliffe > Java Post Production > 402, 2206 Dewdney ave. > Regina, SK > Canada > S4R 1H3 > P. 306-777-0150 > cell. 306-536-4321 > www.javapost.ca > ______________ > > > > On Oct 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Phil Spitler wrote: > > Wow, working with 5k HD Red footage in CS5.5 is REALLY painful. > > Has this been improved in CS6? > > It must be the RED decoding that is taking the time as I use 5k plates > from our 3d guys without this issue at all. > > I did a simple garbage matte / Primate key and resize and it is saying 2.5 > hours to render a 10 second clip. > > Plus the machine is really un-responsive.... > > This is on an 8 core Xeon with 16GB RAM running CS5.5 > > Any idea? > > Thanks > > Phil > > > > > > > *Phil Spitler* | Creative Technologist | *Bonfire Labs* | t : > 415.394.8200 m : 415.571.3139 > > Website | Facebook| > LinkedIn > > > > > > > -- danny princz exposedideas.com --14dae93b632077ba5c04cc250a61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable any chance your footage is 120FPS? ;)

that does seem pre= tty high

have you tried to do the same export usin= g RCX?


On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at= 11:44 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:
Not sure= what else could be going on, it's the same on multiple machines both l= ocal and across the SAN.

A ten second clip, no effects, no scaling rendered out = of AE to a 5k ProResHQ took 57 minutes......=A0

Yu= p, almost an hour to convert 10 seconds....

Insane= .

Phil



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On Oct 15, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Jack Tun= nicliffe wrote:

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I hope you find a big improvement when you load CS6 = but I have a feeling something else might be going on. I didn't actuall= y notice a performance difference moving from CS5.5 to CS6 for Red but mayb= e I was sleeping.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-= 10-15, at 7:42 PM, Phil Spitler <phil@bonfirelabs.com> wrote:

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Thanks Tim, the idea = would be to get a Red Rocket for my workstation then dump the renders onto = our farm but with these slow renders that is not feasible.

I really want to avoid having to transcode all the footage into anther form= at for a whole host of reasons...

Let's see ho= w my CS6 test go tomorrow.

Thanks.

Phil



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Website=A0|= =A0Facebook=A0|=A0LinkedIn





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On Oct 15, 2012, at 6:25 P= M, Tim Clapham wrote:

If you are working wit= h a lot of R3D files then perhaps it is worth investing in a Red Rocket car= d. =A0The debayer process is realtime and can save you hours of time compar= ed with using software. Although if you are not dealing with many files it = could be a tad expensive at just under $5K


__= _=A0

Tim Clapham
= Director=
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LUXX
3D Animation
Motion Graphics
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web :=A0luxx.com.au
blog :=A0hell= oluxx.com




On 16/10/2012, at 12:10 PM= , Phil Spitler wrote:

Hmmmm I'm gonna try CS6 = tomorrow.=A0

Can't believe how slow this is in CS5.5
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Hoping it is ok in CS6.=A0

Cheers.= =A0

Phil



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On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe <jack@javapost.ca> = wrote:

I was rendering out full 5K. I don't think that scalin= g would make much difference. I'm using the latest build of CS6.
Sent from my iPhone

On 2012-10-15, at 6:31 PM, Phil Spitler &= lt;phil@bonfirela= bs.com> wrote:

Weird, I am also on a really fast SAN and my files a= re 5k HD which are smaller than yours.

I have mine in a = 1920x1080 comp so I am scaling too which could be part of the problem.

Were you rendering 5k or 1080?

Are you using CS5.5 or CS6 ?

I would LOVE to get = to the bottom of this......=A0

Thanks Jack

Phil


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Website | Facebook | <= a href=3D"http://www.linkedin.com/company/235257?trk=3Dtyah" target=3D"_bla= nk">LinkedIn

On Oct 15, 2012, at 5:24 P= M, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:

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Okay, just did a = quick test with the same keys etc you are using but my Epic 5K footage is 5= 120x2160 so 2.37 aspect. Set a key to render out a 10 second clip and estim= ated time is 4 minutes on a 12 core Mac with 32 gigs of ram. You have somet= hing that's really slowing down your system. I am accessing files throu= gh fibre on a very fast SAN, but there is definitely something going on. In= fact it rendered out and finished before I could finish typing this email.= =A0

Jack Tunnicliffe
Java Post= Production
402, 2206 Dewdney ave.
Regina, SK
Canada
S4R 1H3
www.javapost.ca
______________



On Oct 15, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Phil Spitler &= lt;phil@bonfirela= bs.com> wrote:

Wow, working with 5k HD Red footage in CS5.5 is REALLY pa= inful.

Has this been improved in CS6?=A0

<= /div>
It must be the RED decoding that is taking the time as I use 5k p= lates from our 3d guys without this issue at all.

I did a simple garbage matte / Primate key and resize a= nd it is saying 2.5 hours to render a 10 second clip.

<= div>Plus the machine is really un-responsive....

This is on an 8 core Xeon with 16GB RAM running CS5.5

<= div>Any idea?

Thanks

Phil






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