Return-Path: Received: from [69.93.243.15] (HELO gateway14.websitewelcome.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4878927 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 23:19:36 +0200 Received: by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id C4E53434617FA; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:22:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from alpina.websitewelcome.com (alpina.websitewelcome.com [74.54.176.2]) by gateway14.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B48E1434617DA for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:22:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [199.21.106.94] (port=64724 helo=[192.168.0.5]) by alpina.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1TQPRo-0000Fv-AQ for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:22:08 -0500 From: Chris Meyer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_AE1D254F-9836-4B6B-A349-31EDABBC739E" Subject: Re: [AE] Tracking point suggestions for CRTs Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:22:07 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <390443F8-CC9F-4C74-A418-88348A27AA18@crishdesign.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alpina.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.0.5]) [199.21.106.94]:64724 X-Source-Auth: chris@crishdesign.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7YWxwaW5hLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== --Apple-Mail=_AE1D254F-9836-4B6B-A349-31EDABBC739E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I'll second what Nathan said: I've used mocha with these shots, and the = Bezier Warp effect to curve the new display to match. Make sure Bezier = Warp is above Corner Pin in the ECP stack. And if you want to get good = screen reflections and shows, if possible place a flat 50% graphic on = the monitors during the shoot, then use a mode such as Overlay or Hard = Light to composite your new screen over the monitor face. good luck - Chris On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Nathan Shipley wrote: > I've stopped putting markers on almost everything I do like this = (which most commonly seems to be iPhone screen tracking) and have good = success with Mocha. The markers end up just creating extra work when = you need to paint them out to keep the original reflections. If the = surface is very reflective and/or has no border/frame around it, I'd do = a test first, but you're generally safe with Mocha and no markers. >=20 > Should be able to just warp/bulge your replacement screens a little = bit in AE to get them to match the CRT curvature -- especially with = original reflections laid back on top which will help the replacements = feel curved. >=20 > - Nathan >=20 > On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote: > Getting ready to shoot a short with a decent amount of screen = replacements. Almost all are old school CRTs with small to medium = curvature on the glass. I was the reflection of the lighting etc. on the = monitor to be part of the final composite. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Do you think with improvements to trackers that points are needed and = if so, is a very thin cross (to minimize filling in the reflection map) = good enough? Much of the lighting will be low key or night lighting. = Will be shoot with C300. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Probably will be using AE and/or AE Mocha=92s trackers. No hand held =96= all dolly/jib and occasionally lockoff. >=20 > =20 >=20 > stephen van vuuren >=20 > 336.202.4777 >=20 > =20 >=20 > http://www.insaturnsrings.com/ >=20 > http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >=20 > http://www.sv2studios.com/ >=20 > =20 >=20 > A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s = behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. >=20 > =96Stanley Kubrick >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_AE1D254F-9836-4B6B-A349-31EDABBC739E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I'll = second what Nathan said: I've used mocha with these shots, and the = Bezier Warp effect to curve the new display to match. Make sure Bezier = Warp is above Corner Pin in the ECP stack. And if you want to get good = screen reflections and shows, if possible place a flat 50% graphic on = the monitors during the shoot, then use a mode such as Overlay or Hard = Light to composite your new screen over the monitor = face.

good luck = -
Chris



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On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Nathan Shipley wrote:

I've = stopped putting markers on almost everything I do like this (which most = commonly seems to be iPhone screen tracking) and have good success with = Mocha.  The markers end up just creating extra work when you need = to paint them out to keep the original reflections.  If the surface = is very reflective and/or has no border/frame around it, I'd do a test = first, but you're generally safe with Mocha and no markers.

Should be able to just warp/bulge your replacement = screens a little bit in AE to get them to match the CRT curvature -- = especially with original reflections laid back on top which will help = the replacements feel curved.

- Nathan

On Mon, = Oct 22, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Stephen van Vuuren <stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote:

Getting ready to shoot a short with a decent = amount of screen replacements. Almost all are old school CRTs with small = to medium curvature on the glass. I was the reflection of the lighting = etc. on the monitor to be part of the final composite. =

 

Do you think with improvements to trackers that = points are needed and if so, is a very thin cross (to minimize filling = in the reflection map) good enough? Much of the lighting will be low key = or night lighting. Will be shoot with C300.

 

Probably will be using AE and/or AE Mocha=92s = trackers. No hand held =96 all dolly/jib and occasionally = lockoff.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.insaturnsrings.com/<= b>

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

 

A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music = than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The = theme, what=92s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

=96Stanley = Kubrick

 



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