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Subject: Re: [AE] Tracking point suggestions for CRTs
From: Tim Sassoon <tsassoon@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2012 16:19:08 -0700
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These days I think half the job of an on-set VFX supervisor is keeping =
people who are well-meaning but lack recent knowledge from putting =
scraps of green and tracking markers everywhere that you'll spending =
most of the time on the shot later removing. That is, if one can get ON =
the set in the first place, because since these kindly people "know" =
VFX, why should production pay for another supervisor to be there?

Tim


On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:43 PM, "Chris Zwar" <chris@chriszwar.com> wrote:

> Wow, I can't remember the last time I had to deal with CRTs!!
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> I used to use Optics Compensation to give the source graphics a nice =
fishbowl effect, faster to adjust than bezier warp (although a lot less =
flexible)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Meyer [mailto:chris@crishdesign.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 08:22 AM
> To: 'After Effects Mail List'
> Subject: Re: [AE] Tracking point suggestions for CRTs
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> I'll second what Nathan said: I've used mocha with these shots, and =
the Bezier Warp effect to curve the new display to match. Make sure =
Bezier Warp is above Corner Pin in the ECP stack. And if you want to get =
good screen reflections and shows, if possible place a flat 50% graphic =
on the monitors during the shoot, then use a mode such as Overlay or =
Hard Light to composite your new screen over the monitor face.
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> good luck -
> Chris
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> On Oct 22, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Nathan Shipley wrote:
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>> I've stopped putting markers on almost everything I do like this =
(which most commonly seems to be iPhone screen tracking) and have good =
success with Mocha.  The markers end up just creating extra work when =
you need to paint them out to keep the original reflections.  If the =
surface is very reflective and/or has no border/frame around it, I'd do =
a test first, but you're generally safe with Mocha and no markers.
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>> Should be able to just warp/bulge your replacement screens a little =
bit in AE to get them to match the CRT curvature -- especially with =
original reflections laid back on top which will help the replacements =
feel curved.
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>> - Nathan
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>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Stephen van Vuuren =
<stephen@sv2studios.com> wrote:
>> Getting ready to shoot a short with a decent amount of screen =
replacements. Almost all are old school CRTs with small to medium =
curvature on the glass. I was the reflection of the lighting etc. on the =
monitor to be part of the final composite.
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>> Do you think with improvements to trackers that points are needed and =
if so, is a very thin cross (to minimize filling in the reflection map) =
good enough? Much of the lighting will be low key or night lighting. =
Will be shoot with C300.
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>> Probably will be using AE and/or AE Mocha=92s trackers. No hand held =
=96 all dolly/jib and occasionally lockoff.
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>> A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It =
should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s =
behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later.
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>> =96Stanley Kubrick
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