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[108.46.190.100]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jw1sm107227qeb.13.2012.10.25.18.52.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:52:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Maffitt Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F463F118-AAA7-48D4-B980-D4129DE6A583" Message-Id: <13822170-445A-4A59-BC63-0EE0EC018FE7@totaltraining.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Subject: Re: [AE] a question from the After Effects team about audio output Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:52:47 -0400 References: To: "After Effects Mail List" In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlpmJ21ugcrbwkaksUoK5f7t4miyIEsG7uy08/Wmd2tDDFThD3ElcVuSgdQhIFmKfgAXkjsASiWKUMUul4BniDil1OUZohamd22RWh+WSGj9Q+7YOxJOAusxJ+hiMj7Qa1LRlFbpAmwMOC5qdKJL4rkOVxK9YC7pJCsR2nwsa60FHKhnKA= --Apple-Mail=_F463F118-AAA7-48D4-B980-D4129DE6A583 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I know Dan Wilk has historically resisted any sort of UI nagging via = popups, but this is one of those cases where I think the "nag" would be = worth it. It's very frustrating to complete a render only to realize = you've left the audio out by accident (just as it is frustrating to = realize you have ruined the audio by inadvertently including multiple = copies of it in the same comp, which is another discussion). B > The Queue already assumes that you're writing out video, which makes = perfect sense. It seems rational to me that if you have audio in the = comp, the program would assume it's part of the export. But as Brian = suggested, maybe a pop-up appears, asking you to click the "fur sure" = button if you want to include audio. >=20 > I also find it inconvenient that names get incremented when duping = layers or comps. An alternative is "copy" gets added, =E0 la FCP or = Photoshop. Whatever it is, I just wish I could click on a name to make = it live, instead of having to hit the return button. After working in = FCP for 10 minutes, switching back to AE, it usually takes me a second = to realize that I'm not getting anywhere by clicking. >=20 > Jonathan >=20 >=20 > On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Tim Clapham wrote: >=20 >> I don't think the Render Queue should make any assumptions. I don't = want stuff added without my knowledge. Perhaps it could be a = preference? >>=20 >> It is a bit like when I duplicate a solid or comp in the project = window, AE presumes I'd like to increase the number. Sometimes yes, = sometimes no. Often my client will have specific numbers for each = deliverable. If I duplicate a comp, it's renumbered - often = incorrectly. I'd like to name my solids Black 1920, duplicate it and AE = renames it Black 1921. Forcing me to name it with the number at the = front or add characters. >>=20 >> Maybe I would like an audio track, maybe I wouldn't, but I'd prefer = to make that decision. >>=20 >> Tim >>=20 >>=20 >> On 26/10/2012, at 11:12 AM, Brian Maffitt wrote: >>=20 >>> That seems reasonable to me. >>>=20 >>>> Or, if the comp has audio, should the render module default to = audio on? >>>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ___=20 >>=20 >> Tim Clapham >> Director >> ___ >>=20 >> LUXX >> 3D Animation >> Motion Graphics >> ___ >>=20 >> web : luxx.com.au >> blog : helloluxx.com >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > JONATHAN PENZNER > SUNDANCE/REALTIME > VIDEO EDITING =95 MOTION GRAPHICS =95 DESIGN >=20 > | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | > | CELL 818 321-2890 | >=20 > SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F463F118-AAA7-48D4-B980-D4129DE6A583 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I = know Dan Wilk has historically resisted any sort of UI nagging via = popups, but this is one of those cases where I think the "nag" would be = worth it. It's very frustrating to complete a render only to realize = you've left the audio out by accident (just as it is frustrating to = realize you have ruined the audio by inadvertently including multiple = copies of it in the same comp, which is another = discussion).

B

The Queue already assumes = that you're writing out video, which makes perfect sense. It seems = rational to me that if you have audio in the comp, the program would = assume it's part of the export. But as Brian suggested, maybe a pop-up = appears, asking you to click the "fur sure" button if you want to = include audio.

I also find it inconvenient that = names get incremented when duping layers or comps. An alternative is = "copy" gets added, =E0 la FCP or Photoshop. Whatever it is, I just wish = I could click on a name to make it live, instead of having to hit the = return button. After working in FCP for 10 minutes, switching back to = AE, it usually takes me a second to realize that I'm not getting = anywhere by = clicking.

Jonathan


<= div>On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:33 PM, Tim Clapham wrote:

I don't think the Render Queue = should make any assumptions.  I don't want stuff added without my = knowledge.  Perhaps it could be a preference?

It = is a bit like when I duplicate a solid or comp in the project window, AE = presumes I'd like to increase the number.  Sometimes yes, sometimes = no.  Often my client will have specific numbers for each = deliverable.  If I duplicate a comp, it's renumbered - often = incorrectly.  I'd like to name my solids Black 1920, duplicate it = and AE renames it Black 1921.  Forcing me to name it with the = number at the front or add characters.

Maybe I = would like an audio track, maybe I wouldn't, but I'd prefer to make that = decision.

Tim


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On 26/10/2012, at 11:12 AM, Brian Maffitt = wrote:

That = seems reasonable to me.

Or, if the comp has audio, = should the render module default to audio = on?

=

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